RE: TVR: Back in business (there's even a website)

RE: TVR: Back in business (there's even a website)

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JonRB

74,393 posts

271 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Tvr Power said:
all Jigs and fixtures have been scrapped by NS
Wait... WHAT? eek

Jesus, talk about the Aesop Fable of "The dog in the Manger".


Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
TA14 said:
DonkeyApple said:
That was the green Sag made by TVR when they were in a shed.
Finished off and polished up in the shed... anyway
DonkeyApple said:
I'm under the impression that this is a Tuscan made when TVR gave up on using sheds and began work from a rehab clinic in Austria instead.
How do you square that with:
Tvr Power said:
MK3 Tuscan Factory build ... Dom
Do you think that Dom considers the Austrian stuff to be factory built? Did they ship the jigs out to Austria and were they then in a fit state to be used? (I don't know.)

Are you there Dom?
I thought he was implying that it was just one of many part builds from when the factory closed. Many of which were pretty much complete and various garages have been finishing and selling for the last 6 years.

The new venture stuck in the LS and the retrim etc as part of their 'Recreation' ambitions?

I certainly don't believe it is a wholly new car just one that was never completed.

Still interested at what point it gained its new model name.
This was a second hand Tvr purchased from Tony Gilbert cars via NS he commissioned Tvr Power to install an Ls3 & TK600 gearbox, as for a new name its a mk3 tuscan with a yank lump

Dom

Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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JonRB said:
Tvr Power said:
all Jigs and fixtures have been scrapped by NS
Wait... WHAT? eek

Jesus, talk about the Aesop Fable of "The dog in the Manger".
If there not being built what’s the point in storing old moulds that have stood 7 yrs, jigs and fixtures that are rusty and not complete electrical components damp & corroded.

For Tvr to move forward they would have to produce a totally new design car, this could happen if someone put a minimum 50 million on the table…

Dom

JonRB

74,393 posts

271 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Tvr Power said:
If there not being built what’s the point in storing old moulds that have stood 7 yrs, jigs and fixtures that are rusty and not complete electrical components damp & corroded.
They could have been sold to someone actually interested in providing spares and support for the older cars. Especially the body moulds.

LukeSi

5,753 posts

160 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Tvr Power said:
JonRB said:
Tvr Power said:
all Jigs and fixtures have been scrapped by NS
Wait... WHAT? eek

Jesus, talk about the Aesop Fable of "The dog in the Manger".
If there not being built what’s the point in storing old moulds that have stood 7 yrs, jigs and fixtures that are rusty and not complete electrical components damp & corroded.

For Tvr to move forward they would have to produce a totally new design car, this could happen if someone put a minimum 50 million on the table…

Dom
Well when I win £100+ million on the euromillions that was just the figure I had in mind hehe.

On a side note would it be possible to make new moulds using an existing body? (Not that anyone would be willing to let the body of their car be used for this).

Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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LukeSi said:
Tvr Power said:
JonRB said:
Tvr Power said:
all Jigs and fixtures have been scrapped by NS
Wait... WHAT? eek

Jesus, talk about the Aesop Fable of "The dog in the Manger".
If there not being built what’s the point in storing old moulds that have stood 7 yrs, jigs and fixtures that are rusty and not complete electrical components damp & corroded.

For Tvr to move forward they would have to produce a totally new design car, this could happen if someone put a minimum 50 million on the table…

Dom
Well when I win £100+ million on the euromillions that was just the figure I had in mind hehe.

On a side note would it be possible to make new moulds using an existing body? (Not that anyone would be willing to let the body of their car be used for this).
Not worth doing if a Tvr requires a full body or chassis after a mishap she’s scrap!

Dom

Tonto

2,983 posts

247 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Tvr Power said:
JonRB said:
Tvr Power said:
all Jigs and fixtures have been scrapped by NS
Wait... WHAT? eek

Jesus, talk about the Aesop Fable of "The dog in the Manger".
If there not being built what’s the point in storing old moulds that have stood 7 yrs, jigs and fixtures that are rusty and not complete electrical components damp & corroded.

For Tvr to move forward they would have to produce a totally new design car, this could happen if someone put a minimum 50 million on the table…

Dom
Here's a start....


LukeSi

5,753 posts

160 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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If it is 50 million Vietnamese Dong then I can afford that hehe

Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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JonRB said:
Tvr Power said:
If there not being built what’s the point in storing old moulds that have stood 7 yrs, jigs and fixtures that are rusty and not complete electrical components damp & corroded.
They could have been sold to someone actually interested in providing spares and support for the older cars. Especially the body moulds.
Its was offered but no one showed interest.

Dom

JonRB

74,393 posts

271 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Tvr Power said:
Not worth doing if a Tvr requires a full body or chassis after a mishap she’s scrap!
Debatable. back in the 90's my father had a heavy shunt in a 400SE and it was economically viable for it to go back to the factory, have the body off, have the chassis re-jigged on the chassis jigs, and then put back together again.

With the value and rarity of the Sagaris that could still be true.

The case for the body moulds is even stronger as body panel damage isn't a case of "full body or nothing". If you have a shunt from the rear (ooer missus) then you're going to want a new rear end and without the moulds that's going to be difficult.

Tvr Power said:
Its was offered but no one showed interest.
I'm stunned by that. Were they put up for auction, or was it a case of "This is the price I want. Pay or I destroy them"?

DonkeyApple

54,921 posts

168 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Tvr Power said:
DTA dash and Ecu

Dom
Thanks.

900T-R

20,404 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Well we don't know the price at which it was offered... wink

LukeSi

5,753 posts

160 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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He probably asked for a £1 Million each or something stupid.

DonkeyApple

54,921 posts

168 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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JonRB said:
Tvr Power said:
Not worth doing if a Tvr requires a full body or chassis after a mishap she’s scrap!
Maybe now. But back in the 90's my father had a heavy shunt in a 400SE and it was economically viable for it to go back to the factory, have the body off, have the chassis re-jigged on the chassis jigs, and then put back together again.

With the value and rarity of the Sagaris that could still be true.

The case for the body moulds is even stronger as body panel damage isn't a case of "full body or nothing". If you have a shunt from the rear (ooer missus) then you're going to want a new rear end and without the moulds that's going to be difficult.

Tvr Power said:
Its was offered but no one showed interest.
I'm stunned by that. Were they put up for auction, or was it a case of "This is the price I want. Pay or I destroy them"?
The T440 was repaired without moulds. wink

My guess is that what NS took from Blackpool had already been sitting outside rotting for some time and will have continued in its new home in Austria. It would have all been junk.

Jigs can be made, so can moulds and electrics have probably moved on and better solutions are available off the shelf.

My guess is that the biggest risk to our cars and many classics is the ageing population of the individual specialists who fix and remake/remaster many key parts. There is no industry in which the next generation can learn these crafts and very few have apprentices. Over the next decade or so we will lose a massive level of traditional knowledge and skill.

TA14

12,722 posts

257 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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JonRB said:
Were they put up for auction...
Don't tell me that you don't read the news bulletins of the Russian Bankers' Sons, Austria Branch

TA14

12,722 posts

257 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Tvr Power said:
The Tuscan was built in Blackpool not Austria, all Jigs and fixtures have been scrapped by NS, so there will be no more Tvrs built !

Dom
Thanks; sad but what I thought.