RE: SOTW: Peugeot 406 Coupe
Discussion
I've owned one of these for just over a year now. '03 V6 model with only 30k on it. I like it so much I wrap it up each winter and drive something else :P
Incredible amount of car for the money. Brand new a V6 would set you back the best part of 30k. Whilst the interior is plain, it's well built and functional. Far too much French bashing in my opinion, this is a great car that is bound to be a classic in years to come.
Incredible amount of car for the money. Brand new a V6 would set you back the best part of 30k. Whilst the interior is plain, it's well built and functional. Far too much French bashing in my opinion, this is a great car that is bound to be a classic in years to come.
Rammy76 said:
Major assembly took place in Italy though didn't it?
Anyway, my mate owned a 3 litre one and it had done over 100000 miles by the time he got rid. It was very reliable only needing a new wiper mechanism and routine servicing over the 80000 miles he'd had it for.
If I remember right these had Brembo brakes which were rather good, if expensive to replace.
F*ck me that's worse. A French car built in Italy.Anyway, my mate owned a 3 litre one and it had done over 100000 miles by the time he got rid. It was very reliable only needing a new wiper mechanism and routine servicing over the 80000 miles he'd had it for.
If I remember right these had Brembo brakes which were rather good, if expensive to replace.
Rammy76 said:
Major assembly took place in Italy though didn't it?
Yeah, coz it's any better, huh? :DDDIsn't it the same L7X engine that Renaults had that time? I had a Laguna with this V6 (was SOTW here
), I gotta admit that's a rather thirsty (up to 15 mpg) lump, but sure pulls like a train. Talking about servicing. It's easier to remove the whole engine and do the timing belt, pullies, pump, plugs, engine mounts, etc. on a table. A real pain in the arse to try to replace the spark plugs (platinum electrodes, so expensive, however they can do more than 60 k miles) as you have to undo the complete intake manifold to actually see them. But then, you need a new gasket, hours wasted, etc.
So, every 5-6 years you'll spend a few quality quid, then it's a pretty much bulletproof lump.
Edited by FCK on Monday 21st November 00:01
KM666 said:
Haha got laugh at all the rubbish spoken about reliability and bodywork. Of course when its a rusty 8 year old 330d thats the only bad one in the country when somebodies mates 2nd cousin drove something french like a t
t and broke it thats an accurate reflection of the whole brand. Why isnt there the same level of hatred towards the awful interiors of things like subarus, plenty of people harp
On about french reliability but dont say oh japanese have crap interiors golfs lifeless steering
Bit of a french fanboy? Or just deluded? Been in the motor industry for somtime, french cars are pretty much below average on most sectors, with the exception of safety (at the moment). t and broke it thats an accurate reflection of the whole brand. Why isnt there the same level of hatred towards the awful interiors of things like subarus, plenty of people harpOn about french reliability but dont say oh japanese have crap interiors golfs lifeless steering
thewheelman said:
Bit of a french fanboy? Or just deluded? Been in the motor industry for somtime, french cars are pretty much below average on most sectors, with the exception of safety (at the moment).
I don't think he's suggesting they have the build quality and solidity of German cars - but people do seem to leap to some pretty nonsense stereotypes when they talk about this stuff (all BMWs are reliable, all French cars are crap) and a trader would know that...KM666 said:
Whats to say that 306 wasn't a bad one? Had a 318 on a mates land for a while, awful car it didn't have one redeeming feature bar being easy to sell, they must be good at something to receive such glittering reviews time after time, I couldn't find what that was. No not french a grease monkey. Oh yes they 'feel' solid but rust like escorts. It seems strange that the stink sticks with french cars (and to an extent italian motors) whereas the issues with german and japanese cars seems to be forgotten and forgiven and the cars raved about like they were cast from gods own steelworks.
Well said. How many times have I heard people complain that their Audi/VW/Merc has broken down or started to rust, only for them to say "thank god I didn't buy something French, otherwise it would have been even worse", when their last experience of a French car was their Mum's 15 year old 306 boggobasic, that hadn't been near a garage in a decade.Edited by KM666 on Saturday 19th November 19:33
The 406 Coupe doesn't do it for me, but there's no denying the vast majority are great value, comfy, good looking, reliable motors.
I've had the V6 saloon for nearly 4 years now and covered around 60k miles.
Haven't spent a fortune on it, usual things like cam belt & tensioners (£400), radiator (£100), a coil pack (individual coils on the newer engine like SOTW so a little more expensive than mine which was £100), had a gear linkage go recently that cost £70 but its up to 126k miles now so not that surprising.
Still enjoy driving it and the adaptive power steering is very good. When parking or low speed I can turn the wheel with one finger, when pressing on down a B road the steering is nicely weighted and gives a lot of feel.
Spark plug change takes me 45 minutes, mine has always been standard plugs but it is the earlier V6 engine so might be a little different on the new one.
Haven't really had any electrical issues apart from the cruise control stick needs replacing. Electric seats and seat heaters work fine as does everything else.
Overall its been a good car and I only paid £1600 for it in the first place. Not sure what all of the rust comments are about but the only rust I have is where the previous owner had the LPG filler hole put in and hadn't sealed the paint around it properly.
I'll probably keep it for at least another year before I think about getting something else.
Oh and fuel consumption, motorway 34-35mpg at 80ish, around town 22-24mpg not hanging about.
Haven't spent a fortune on it, usual things like cam belt & tensioners (£400), radiator (£100), a coil pack (individual coils on the newer engine like SOTW so a little more expensive than mine which was £100), had a gear linkage go recently that cost £70 but its up to 126k miles now so not that surprising.
Still enjoy driving it and the adaptive power steering is very good. When parking or low speed I can turn the wheel with one finger, when pressing on down a B road the steering is nicely weighted and gives a lot of feel.
Spark plug change takes me 45 minutes, mine has always been standard plugs but it is the earlier V6 engine so might be a little different on the new one.
Haven't really had any electrical issues apart from the cruise control stick needs replacing. Electric seats and seat heaters work fine as does everything else.
Overall its been a good car and I only paid £1600 for it in the first place. Not sure what all of the rust comments are about but the only rust I have is where the previous owner had the LPG filler hole put in and hadn't sealed the paint around it properly.
I'll probably keep it for at least another year before I think about getting something else.
Oh and fuel consumption, motorway 34-35mpg at 80ish, around town 22-24mpg not hanging about.
radlet6 said:
What's the chances of that then. You wouldn't happen to have the lottery numbers for Wednesday would you?
My 407 is like new after 5 years, and very good quality inside too(just gearknob leather has moved down). Previous Golf´s V brake pedal has been squeaking iritately from new(and 407 in comparison is like a space shuttle to school plane on highway ).hotmelt said:
radlet6 said:
What's the chances of that then. You wouldn't happen to have the lottery numbers for Wednesday would you?
My 407 is like new after 5 years, and very good quality inside too(just gearknob leather has moved down). Previous Golf´s V brake pedal has been squeaking iritately from new(and 407 in comparison is like a space shuttle to school plane on highway ).However, just because some of them work without fault doesn't mean they all do.
radlet6 said:
However, just because some of them work without fault doesn't mean they all do.
On the other hand, although my mates 406 Coupe was a reliable and nice car, my GF against my advice bought a 1.4 petrol Peugeot 307 and it is absolutely s
t! My experience of other modern French cars has been less than favourable too!
radlet6 said:
What's the chances of that then. You wouldn't happen to have the lottery numbers for Wednesday would you?
Yes and Fiat Electrics are great too.People have posted experiences of ownership to highlight that some cars must have 'actually been made well', in the Peugeot factory.
The true argurement here,is to buy the best example available and check everything works, rather than bleet about experiences that you may not have to dissuade people from a car, which is actually quite a nice bargain.
Rammy76 said:
radlet6 said:
However, just because some of them work without fault doesn't mean they all do.
On the other hand, although my mates 406 Coupe was a reliable and nice car, my GF against my advice bought a 1.4 petrol Peugeot 307 and it is absolutely s
t! My experience of other modern French cars has been less than favourable too!
radlet6 said:
Totally agree - I could include Audi's, VW's and BMW in that statement. It just boils the waste water when you cite what is a generally acknowledged situation, and some one tries to debunk it by saying "well mine works" - as if I am condemning their own personal purchase.
Welcome to the new CAN-BUS world of car electronics. radlet6 said:
Totally agree - I could include Audi's, VW's and BMW in that statement. It just boils the waste water when you cite what is a generally acknowledged situation, and some one tries to debunk it by saying "well mine works" - as if I am condemning their own personal purchase.
Can you specify you exact problems, as saying electrical problems covers a lot of issues. I had actually stated I had HDi issues, so doesn't really make your statement true in my case.The Spruce goose said:
radlet6 said:
What's the chances of that then. You wouldn't happen to have the lottery numbers for Wednesday would you?
Yes and Fiat Electrics are great too.People have posted experiences of ownership to highlight that some cars must have 'actually been made well', in the Peugeot factory.
The true argurement here,is to buy the best example available and check everything works, rather than bleet about experiences that you may not have.
Unfortunately buying the best example doesn't always work - especially with electrics. My Croma was a 6 month old ex demonstrator. It ran for a month before then giving me 5 months of pure hell (regular ABS failure messages, Hill holder failure messages, ESP failure messages - and a dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree). I was driving courtesy cars more than my own (I even took one on holiday to Italy because our car failed two days before departure).
Since then (5 years or so ago now)it has mainly run without fault. I don't however delude myself with the thought that as everything is currently peachy it will remain so - as some here like to do.
The Spruce goose said:
Can you specify you exact problems, as saying electrical problems covers a lot of issues. I had actually stated I had HDi issues, so doesn't really make your statement true in my case.
To my knowledge the biggest electrical problem with recent PSA group products is a failure of the CANBUS wiring system; and when it does fail it is a nightmare to put right.With older cars such as the 306 the keypad imobilisers were famous for going wrong.
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