RE: Driven: Vauxhall Corsa VXR Nurburgring

RE: Driven: Vauxhall Corsa VXR Nurburgring

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sootyrumble

295 posts

185 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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XitUp said:
sootyrumble said:
Yes sorry i was in a hurry and didn't explain my point well and as you say torque spread makes a huge difference as in the RX8 they only have 159ft/lb but its 100% from 200rpm i think in a linear line due to be a rotary engine.
Is that a typo?
The Renesis engine is extraordinary and really does produce a near flat torque curve its quite weird to drive as the power is so linear all the way through the rev range, personally i loved it :-)

sootyrumble

295 posts

185 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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JB! said:
Put your toys back in the pram sweetie!

I liked my VRS because it used to upset traditional n/a hot hatches.

Your choice to believe what I say or not, but no need to over react.

Also, what's the GDP of Kenya? 1k? I don't think I even spent that!
JB is correct my mate runs Total VAG in Leighton Buzzard and had nothing but praise for the Fabia VRS especially with very light tuning they were exceptionally quick, i had a ride in one and was shocked by the speed of the thing, just never liked the way diesels rev to 5k rpm, I was told by BMW tuner that the E46 330 diesel with a map is faster than an the E30 M3. also look at powerboat racing the fastest boats now are all diesel and the same goes for Le Mans they aren't slow cars at all

ManOpener

12,467 posts

168 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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sootyrumble said:
I was told by BMW tuner that the E46 330 diesel with a map is faster than an the E30 M3.
Then you are an absolute mug to believe it. Having driven an E46 M3, and an E46 330d (albeit a saloon) which had been not only remapped, but fitted with a larger intercooler and a variety of other accompanying modifications, I can categorically say that an M3 is much, much faster off the line. The diesel might be able to out-pull it from a 30mph rolling start, but that's only up to about 70mph, and not by all that much. Drag them from a standing start and the mapped diesel will be a long way off the pace.

sootyrumble

295 posts

185 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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ManOpener said:
sootyrumble said:
I was told by BMW tuner that the E46 330 diesel with a map is faster than an the E30 M3.
Then you are an absolute mug to believe it. Having driven an E46 M3, and an E46 330d (albeit a saloon) which had been not only remapped, but fitted with a larger intercooler and a variety of other accompanying modifications, I can categorically say that an M3 is much, much faster off the line. The diesel might be able to out-pull it from a 30mph rolling start, but that's only up to about 70mph, and not by all that much. Drag them from a standing start and the mapped diesel will be a long way off the pace.
Please read properly i said an E30 M3 some of you guys just open your big gobs without paying attention and flame people like petulant children he did also add that it was very close to the E36 in performance however an E46 especially in CSL guise will humiliate many things including porsches etc

Edited by sootyrumble on Thursday 1st December 10:26

CarbonBlackM5

3,029 posts

217 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Ive always liked the look of the Corsa VXR, great looking cars.

Toffer

1,527 posts

260 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Save £20,000.00 and buy one of these with 60K miles on it and lots of life and go left in it?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3402823.htm[url]

|http://thumbsnap.com/VhBjFXnf[/url]

RichyBoy

3,739 posts

216 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Seem them sold under 18k, the cup 200 is more with options.

anything fast

983 posts

163 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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Toffer said:
Save £20,000.00 and buy one of these with 60K miles on it and lots of life and go left in it?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3402823.htm[url]

|http://thumbsnap.com/VhBjFXnf[/url]
forget that! no turbo...

spend £6,000 and get a Focus ST, 150 mph, 0-60 in 6.5 sec lovely 5 pot lump... as long as its not orange!

joncon

1,446 posts

222 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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had the chance to drive the Nurburgring last week, having previously owned a corsa vxr.
better power delivery, and much better traction, still very go cart like handling and steering,
not sure about to exhausts on the back though..only a small gripe !
artic model does pop and bang more, although he ring hadnt done many miles.

XitUp

7,690 posts

203 months

Thursday 1st December 2011
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sootyrumble said:
XitUp said:
sootyrumble said:
Yes sorry i was in a hurry and didn't explain my point well and as you say torque spread makes a huge difference as in the RX8 they only have 159ft/lb but its 100% from 200rpm i think in a linear line due to be a rotary engine.
Is that a typo?
The Renesis engine is extraordinary and really does produce a near flat torque curve its quite weird to drive as the power is so linear all the way through the rev range, personally i loved it :-)
Yeah, but was it a typo?
Because if not, you're either joking or a total plonker.


TOENHEEL

4,501 posts

226 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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sootyrumble said:
Please read properly i said an E30 M3 some of you guys just open your big gobs without paying attention and flame people like petulant children he did also add that it was very close to the E36 in performance however an E46 especially in CSL guise will humiliate many things including porsches etc

Edited by sootyrumble on Thursday 1st December 10:26
E30's are flat as a fart by modern standards, very little between an e36 evo and e46 m3 straight line even an e36 3.0 m3 wouldn't get left behind. Thinking about it even standard a 330D would do a good job of leaving an e30! Diesels come into their own once rolling bloody awful off the mark!

McSpud

39 posts

191 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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As someone else already pointed out, for this sort of money you are well are into RS Megane 250 Cup territory. The Cup version also has a mechanical LSD and exhibits the same cornering characteristics as the Corsa. Bury the throttle mid-corner and this things just rockets towards the apex and out the other side like you wouldn't believe. Its a complete giggle every time.

But the big difference between the 250 and just about any other so-called hot hatch is its ability to cover massive distances with ease and in total comfort (I ticked the Recaro box - an absolute must) and this is something the Clio (and I suspect the Corsa) can't even get close to matching. And, just to give that some context, my previous car was a RS Clio 197, so I speak from experience.

My running-in trip was to Paris and back, and we climbed out at both ends of the journey fresh as a daisy - amazing. Undoubtedly the best hot hatch you can buy right now.

Edited by McSpud on Friday 2nd December 17:40

randomgary

17 posts

154 months

Monday 5th December 2011
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Its suprisingly large inside, well minus the boot! ive done alot of big journeys in the corsa and it covers them very very well

I collected my Nurburgring edition a month ago, for 4 years before it i had owned a 240bhp well modified Corsa VXR. the difference is staggering! before you slag it have a drive and compare it with its rivals! on most of the track tests it outpaces its competition. its cornering speed is phenominal. As for the "you could have had this.........." comments, well i wouldnt have got the 10 year warrenty that means so much when your saving to buy a house. RRP's are silly but noone is paying them

ps 29 year old non chav

davidcharles

400 posts

193 months

Tuesday 6th December 2011
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JMF894 said:
I used to own a new SEAT Leon 150tdi Cupra. I had it remapped by revo. It gave 190bhp/290lb ft of torque.

I traded it in for a Honda Civic Type R. 197bhp/157 lb ft of torque approx.

I will tell you now from experience that the heavier, less powerful (but torquier) Leon would absolutely monster the Type R.

The Leon was a better daily driver because it was easier to drive quickly as the power was more accessible. The Type R was more fun because of it's peaky nature.

When in the right mood the Type R was a hoot but it was a pain as a daily driver if i was tired and just wanted to get home. The two cars were very different and very good at different things.

The comment - 'they both have a gearbox' is surely made from someone who knows little about or has little experience of different types of car...............

But then you do drive an MX5 wink
...i know what you mean but a responsive, revvy engine can but just as easy to drive as a torquey diesel. I am lucky as i have a 170bhp TD giulietta and a 200bhp type r so can compare...the type r is just as easy as a daily drive as the giulietta is...there's no waiting for a surge of torque and the type r is much quicker off the mark. The issue comes in steady A road driving and overtaking, you need more awareness and thought about it in the type r than you do in the giulietta. I love them both but would take the type r out everytime. (unless a very long journey is needed then diesel/economy comes into play)

Edited by davidcharles on Tuesday 6th December 12:18

iain1970

239 posts

161 months

Tuesday 6th December 2011
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10 Pence Short said:
No you can't. You can run around urban roundabouts looking to race people who might just have better things to do than be interested in you, so you can dash home to the internet to spunk yourself silly justifying spending the GDP of Kenya on giving your rattly tin box another 4bhp, but sadly you can't defy physics.
I think you'll find that's the return for n/a petrol engines. I can't say I've ever 'raced' anything just to see how it all compares. I merely like the 172bhp and 318ft/lb torque our Revo mapped Ibiza TDI 130 has on long runs, dual carriageways and roads where a sudden, yet easily delivered, overtaking opportunity presents itself. Oh, and still averaging 55mpg.

I really don't think I could return to the over revvy world of petrol, however, the current crop of fat torque curved turbo petrols from VAG et al might make me think about it.

dkturbo

86 posts

160 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Finally had a go in one of these! I liked it but i prefer the Clio Sport.

binned

Full thoughts on it are here: http://nitroaddiction.co.uk/vauxhall-corsa-vxr-nur...

Edited by Bill on Friday 9th November 12:09

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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a chav wagon chavs cant afford smile

dkturbo

86 posts

160 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
a chav wagon chavs cant afford smile
It's a great car but your words are totally true, you do wonder who (with the money) would buy this car. Vauxhall still have some left, considering they only made 250 that has to be considered as sales flop.

NotNormal

2,357 posts

213 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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dkturbo said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
a chav wagon chavs cant afford smile
It's a great car but your words are totally true, you do wonder who (with the money) would buy this car. Vauxhall still have some left, considering they only made 250 that has to be considered as sales flop.
They are selling well as I understand it, hence there are more than 250 being made so hardly a flop as you call it. More of a success I would say on the basis that the yearly allocation has been extended.

Maybe some people are a bit more open minded and can see past the badge on the front, anyway I though Audi's were the chav choice these days, I just can't keep up!! wink

dkturbo

86 posts

160 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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NotNormal said:
...anyway I though Audi's were the chav choice these days, I just can't keep up!! wink
Ha, yea that's a good point. I was in Essex last week and all I saw was white Audis!