RE: BMW M6 revealed
Discussion
dvs_dave said:
The biggest problems for the M6 Coupe are very simply the 640d which makes a better GT, and the GTR which is a better sports car. Both of which are significantly cheaper.
It's great that BMW are making the M6 but I just don't think it will excel enough in any particular area including desirability to justify the price, especially when you consider residuals.
But was there not also a 6-series diesel in the previous generation, being sold concurrently with the M6? You haven't made the case that the better sports car *de-justifies* the existence of another car. You'd have to prove that outright ability and price are inextricably linked to the exclusion of any other factors.It's great that BMW are making the M6 but I just don't think it will excel enough in any particular area including desirability to justify the price, especially when you consider residuals.
Edited by Guibo on Wednesday 15th February 07:05
Wills2 said:
But in markets that don't need a diesel, I'm thinking the US and China this will do extremely well, an example is the X6M in the US. Autocar stated that it's selling so well that they have delayed the launch of the hybrid.
Some of these cars may not stack up in the UK but do in other larger markets.
Quite possibly true, especially when you look at the pricing of M-models in the US (last year a friend of mine living in the US was paying less per month to lease a M3 than it would have cost me to lease a 118d here in German!), but then my argument could quite as easily apply to a 650i. Especially in the US where speed limits are even lower than the UK. However, as I said in my original post, thank goodness there are people out there that only want the fastest, most expensive model available (which is definitely the case in China) regardless of whether it actually makes any rational sense (otherwise we would all be driving 320d EDs...Some of these cars may not stack up in the UK but do in other larger markets.
)MonkeyMatt said:
Remember that is a car given to Topgear to showcase what can be had if you want it! 20'' wheels, nightvision, etc. I imagine the equivelant BMW or Merc could easily specced up the same!
The BMW is still knocking on the door of some very exotic and unique machines! Is it really a car that would make you turn round to have one last look before you walked awy like an Ason, Maserati or even a Fisker!
In the article the compared the prices of the option with Merc E Class and BMW 5 - the Audi is more expensive on nearly every option- some options on it cost £2k whereas the BMW or Merc equivalent cost £1200. While this was obviouly a heavily optioned car it hadnt everything - it is possible to spend £91k on a 3.0 TDI A6 Avants - crazy!The BMW is still knocking on the door of some very exotic and unique machines! Is it really a car that would make you turn round to have one last look before you walked awy like an Ason, Maserati or even a Fisker!
Webber3 said:
I bought the previous 650 vert, so it's hardly a shock for me. I was thinking about upgrading, but I think they're taking the piss with their price increases.
I fully agree. But all manufacturers seem to be taking the piss with pricing these days not just BMW - that is the point I am makinge.g. - Jaguar XK 5.0 V8 RS Convertible is £103k
dvs_dave said:
Bit of a binary way of thinking there.
The biggest problems for the M6 Coupe are very simply the 640d which makes a better GT, and the GTR which is a better sports car. Both of which are significantly cheaper.
It's great that BMW are making the M6 but I just don't think it will excel enough in any particular area including desirability to justify the price, especially when you consider residuals.
The 640d is a not direct competitor to the M6. Same as a 335d is not a competitor to an M3. Or a merc C350CDI is not a competitor to a C63 and so on.The biggest problems for the M6 Coupe are very simply the 640d which makes a better GT, and the GTR which is a better sports car. Both of which are significantly cheaper.
It's great that BMW are making the M6 but I just don't think it will excel enough in any particular area including desirability to justify the price, especially when you consider residuals.
Some people simply do not want to drive a diesel car as a weekend toy, no matter how good they are. Funny I was speaking to a salesman about this recently and he says most of they customers drive about in a Diesel RR, Porsche or Merc SUV for work and have something like an M6 [or whatever] as a weekend GT car - they simply don’t want a diesel even though a 640d would be totally suffice. Although understandably they want something that has a nice note off it – i.e. a nice petrol V8 rumble
In markets like the US, Middle East they definitely wouldn’t even half consider a diesel.
And as stated before the GTR is not a competitor to an M6 for most of its target audience - some people yes but the vast majority no
Its competitors are other big flashy premium European 4 seat coupes/convertibelsverts - like the Jag XK, Masser etc - and its pricing is on par with them – i.e. – eye wateringly expensive
Polarbert said:
I assume the A6L is foreign market only? Didn't China have a lot of those.
I'm on the car configurator. £1,200 for automatic boot opening/closing is ridiculous! How can they charge that much for a solenoid and an electric motor connected to the tailgate?
Because they know that their are people out their that will pay for it, even if it is ridiculous (?)I'm on the car configurator. £1,200 for automatic boot opening/closing is ridiculous! How can they charge that much for a solenoid and an electric motor connected to the tailgate?
Oh not this car X is better value than car Y because you COULD select a load of OPTIONS on car Y b
ks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff.
Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
ks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff. Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
Kong said:
Oh not this car X is better value than car Y because you COULD select a load of OPTIONS on car Y bks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff.
Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
You've missed the point entirely. It was to do with the fact that the M6 used to be between 60-70k new, and now its 100k. Similarly you can spec an Audi A6 to 80k.ks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff. Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
Polarbert said:
Kong said:
Oh not this car X is better value than car Y because you COULD select a load of OPTIONS on car Y bks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff.
Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
You've missed the point entirely. It was to do with the fact that the M6 used to be between 60-70k new, and now its 100k. Similarly you can spec an Audi A6 to 80k.ks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff. Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
Also the old M6 wasn't £60-70k, it was over £80k when it was launched in 2005, with inflation that makes it £96,000 in todays money. So at under £94k the new model is actually cheaper in real terms so the argument about it being overpriced is silly.
Edited by Kong on Wednesday 15th February 23:04
Dave Hedgehog said:
im sorry but theres only one response
fk ME!
haha, it's a good example of just how insane the amount of extras you can spec is these daysf
k ME!that must be the highest depreciating car you can buy, spec'd to that level you're going to lose £80k as soon as you drive out of the door
just goes to show, whenever you're next to that 3.0tdi A8 at the lights just remember it could be a £143,000 car... : p
Kong said:
Polarbert said:
Kong said:
Oh not this car X is better value than car Y because you COULD select a load of OPTIONS on car Y bks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff.
Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
You've missed the point entirely. It was to do with the fact that the M6 used to be between 60-70k new, and now its 100k. Similarly you can spec an Audi A6 to 80k.ks. It's not like ticking the aircon box on a Citroen C1, these cars are already very highly specced. If someone wants to pay several thousand pounds to have a fingerprint reading ignition switch then thats up to them, doesn't make it a ripoff. Reminds me of sales training and special edition cars with 'added value' which includes loads of options. Except it's only adding value if you were going to select all of those options anyway (which most people dont).
Also the old M6 wasn't £60-70k, it was over £80k when it was launched in 2005, with inflation that makes it £96,000 in todays money. So at under £94k the new model is actually cheaper in real terms so the argument about it being overpriced is silly.
Edited by Kong on Wednesday 15th February 23:04
You've missed the point, again. I'm not comparing the A6 at all. I wasn't saying it was a ripoff. I was stating some of the options are overpriced, and that it was surprising you can spec an A6 to that price.
And again, I never said that it was overpriced.
Edited by Polarbert on Wednesday 22 August 10:25
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