The cost of runing a Diesel.
Discussion
Nick1point9 said:
Pablo16v said:
Nick1point9 said:
I do love PH's attitude towards diesel, just hilarious.
I recently changed from a petrol to a diesel and rough spreadsheet calcs say I'm saying over £1500 a year in fuel, £200 a year on insurance, £215 a year on tax, servicing will be roughly £10 cheaper and the interval is the same. Only difference is that the diesel will depreciate more but I have a car 3 1/2 years newer so I'm happy to see some of the £2k I'm saving a year go on depreciation.
Reliability? Well my petrol went wrong all the time, and my diesel is generally regarded as being absolutely bullet proof. It has a DPF but the car oak most exclusively sees dual carriageways and motorways so no need to worry about it clogging up.
And I "only" do 13-14000 miles a year.
What did you change from to gain £1,500 per year? When I sold my 29mpg E46 325i for a 45mpg Passat diesel I worked out that my fuel savings were around £750-£800 a year over a very similar mileage. I recently changed from a petrol to a diesel and rough spreadsheet calcs say I'm saying over £1500 a year in fuel, £200 a year on insurance, £215 a year on tax, servicing will be roughly £10 cheaper and the interval is the same. Only difference is that the diesel will depreciate more but I have a car 3 1/2 years newer so I'm happy to see some of the £2k I'm saving a year go on depreciation.
Reliability? Well my petrol went wrong all the time, and my diesel is generally regarded as being absolutely bullet proof. It has a DPF but the car oak most exclusively sees dual carriageways and motorways so no need to worry about it clogging up.
And I "only" do 13-14000 miles a year.
For a 'straight' swap between say a Mondeo 2l petrol and diesel going by the manufacturers mpg figures the difference is nearer £500/year. I'd pay that to not have a diesel.
Not read this thread fully, but i wouldn't not have a diesel any more.
But that's personal preference.
I had a Vauxhall Insignia 1.8 petrol hire carfor a few days in 2011. I ended up swapping for a diesel version 4 days later and when i called the depot said 'Let me guess, an Insignia petrol?'. Economy was far worse, as i'd personally expect and performance 130 bhp diesel vs 120 bhp petrol was far better in the diesel also. Torque makes 'my' type of driving (i.e. motorway) more interesting than the petrol can.
As for cost - not sure - work pays for the car purchase - but i know the cost that i pay, i.e. the fuel, is so much easier in a diesel than a petrol equivalent. Perhaps the reason why there's so many out there? Companies still tend to provide them rather than petrols. The only petrol car i can get through work is a Prius.
Each to their own, but im sticking with diesels and will look to replace the wife's car with one when the time comes.
But that's personal preference.
I had a Vauxhall Insignia 1.8 petrol hire carfor a few days in 2011. I ended up swapping for a diesel version 4 days later and when i called the depot said 'Let me guess, an Insignia petrol?'. Economy was far worse, as i'd personally expect and performance 130 bhp diesel vs 120 bhp petrol was far better in the diesel also. Torque makes 'my' type of driving (i.e. motorway) more interesting than the petrol can.
As for cost - not sure - work pays for the car purchase - but i know the cost that i pay, i.e. the fuel, is so much easier in a diesel than a petrol equivalent. Perhaps the reason why there's so many out there? Companies still tend to provide them rather than petrols. The only petrol car i can get through work is a Prius.
Each to their own, but im sticking with diesels and will look to replace the wife's car with one when the time comes.
I suppose one thing i'd add is that i don't have the opportunity now to 'drive' a car to it's full potential.
If it was just me and the wife, without the 3 young children, we may take a day out for a blast in the country to a local pub for a quiet lunch in say a Lotus Elise, don't get me wrong would love a weekly blast in a Lotus. But couldn't be any further from our chaotic life of running the kids here there and everywhere and for the 13 mile 'daily' drive to work and the odd 250 mile trip to our southern office once a week, a diesel does the former as well as a petrol would, and far better the latter than a petrol would.
If it was just me and the wife, without the 3 young children, we may take a day out for a blast in the country to a local pub for a quiet lunch in say a Lotus Elise, don't get me wrong would love a weekly blast in a Lotus. But couldn't be any further from our chaotic life of running the kids here there and everywhere and for the 13 mile 'daily' drive to work and the odd 250 mile trip to our southern office once a week, a diesel does the former as well as a petrol would, and far better the latter than a petrol would.
sider said:
Fastdruid said:
I'd pay that to not have a diesel.
Why?Fastdruid said:
sider said:
Fastdruid said:
I'd pay that to not have a diesel.
Why?
toon10 said:
I have masses of diesel experiences with my company and the only one I drove that I could live with (although I would still buy the petrol version) was a decent spec Volvo V70. I get why they exist and in a lot of cases diesels are the sensible choice but I couldn't spend my own money on one. Engine note and revs are a big part of my driving pleasure. Even if I had to do a few motorways, the bits in between the motorways are the moments I enjoy in a car.
Engine note from Volvo 2l 4pot petrol engine , worth it 
Brilliant work on the behalf of the ford dealer. Done their reputation a world of good.
Idiots. Put simply they screwed up and wouldnt admit it. Ford HQ's response is also no surprise to me.They also own volvo and i had a similar issue with them when i bought a car from one of their main dealers.
The dealer took over 6 months to refund me 7.5k grand of my own money after i paid for my car in cash in lieu of the finance being in place a week after taking delivery of my car.
When i complained to volvo HQ response was its not our problem talk to the dealer. Needless to say i will never buy a volvo or ford. Brand management seems to be a bit of a mess with some companies.
Idiots. Put simply they screwed up and wouldnt admit it. Ford HQ's response is also no surprise to me.They also own volvo and i had a similar issue with them when i bought a car from one of their main dealers.
The dealer took over 6 months to refund me 7.5k grand of my own money after i paid for my car in cash in lieu of the finance being in place a week after taking delivery of my car.
When i complained to volvo HQ response was its not our problem talk to the dealer. Needless to say i will never buy a volvo or ford. Brand management seems to be a bit of a mess with some companies.
frosted said:
Engine note from Volvo 2l 4pot petrol engine , worth it
Indeed deluding themselves somewhat. I have a diesel a4 and a petrol toyota and I prefer driving the audi as the toyota is loud and thrashy. Granted it has a 1.8 which you have to rev the nuts off but it doesnt appeal. Would rather a creamy v6 (alfa) v8 or v12. My a4 even though diesel is still great fun in the twistybits and yet is extremely comfy and easy to cruise in on the motorway as i dont have to change gears to accelerate etc. Stick it in 5 and leave it there. Easy.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
Indeed deluding themselves somewhat. I have a diesel a4 and a petrol toyota and I prefer driving the audi as the toyota is loud and thrashy. Granted it has a 1.8 which you have to rev the nuts off but it doesnt appeal. Would rather a creamy v6 (alfa) v8 or v12.
My a4 even though diesel is still great fun in the twistybits and yet is extremely comfy and easy to cruise in on the motorway as i dont have to change gears to accelerate etc. Stick it in 5 and leave it there. Easy.
An Audi A4 diesel - "fun in the twisty bits".... not something you hear very often!?My a4 even though diesel is still great fun in the twistybits and yet is extremely comfy and easy to cruise in on the motorway as i dont have to change gears to accelerate etc. Stick it in 5 and leave it there. Easy.
pilchardthecat said:
An Audi A4 diesel - "fun in the twisty bits".... not something you hear very often!?
Hard to believe but it has a very stable and predictable chassis and having a short torque curve means that to progress in the twisties requires more involvement and work and is quite satisfying.Mr2Mike said:
Because they suck every last vestige of fun out of driving. I want something that will pull hard to high RPM, not something that goes daga daga to 4000RPM and then gives up.
I am sorry, that is just wrong as blanket statement.
A6 Tdi 3.0 is much more fun than my previous V70 2.5l petrol, or my BWW 525i or the Outback 3.0 petrol etc.
The Audi pulls like stink until you are very illegal, the RPM is irrelevant if you are doing 130mph at 4000 rpm and got there as quickly as a petrol. You don't have to thrash the nuts off something for it to be fun.
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