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Video of BMW key cloning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSa7jrVcZB0
Its not quite 10 seconds as the title says, but pretty quick. This looks like an recent 3 series to me (E90).
Here is an X6 key being cloned in <1 minute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LevE6iogIy8&fea...
The first video is posted by this ‘company’ based in Beirut. http://www.keyprogtools.com/ Their website makes pretty sobering reading.
I wonder who if anyone is doing anything to limit/shut down supply of these devices? Or is that impossible in the internet age.
Buy the key cloner online, learn how to use it online, go and steal a car tomorrow
Its not quite 10 seconds as the title says, but pretty quick. This looks like an recent 3 series to me (E90).
Here is an X6 key being cloned in <1 minute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LevE6iogIy8&fea...
The first video is posted by this ‘company’ based in Beirut. http://www.keyprogtools.com/ Their website makes pretty sobering reading.
I wonder who if anyone is doing anything to limit/shut down supply of these devices? Or is that impossible in the internet age.
Buy the key cloner online, learn how to use it online, go and steal a car tomorrow
Re-posted from the main thread in the BMW forum and reproduced below, BMW has been reading the PH discussion on this subject and has given us a statement, of which you can make what you will:
Dan
BMW UK said:
“The battle against increasingly sophisticated thieves is a constant challenge for all car makers. Desirable, premium-branded cars, like BMW and its competitors, have always been targeted. BMW has been at the forefront of vehicle security for many years and is constantly pushing the boundaries of the latest defense (sic) systems. We work closely with the authorities and with other manufacturers to achieve this.
“We are aware of recent claims that criminal gangs are targeting premium vehicles from a variety of manufacturers. This is an area under investigation.
“We have a constant dialogue with police forces to understand any patterns which may emerge. This data is used to enhance our defense (sic) systems accordingly. Currently BMW Group products meet or exceed all global legislative criteria concerning vehicle security.”
Cheers,“We are aware of recent claims that criminal gangs are targeting premium vehicles from a variety of manufacturers. This is an area under investigation.
“We have a constant dialogue with police forces to understand any patterns which may emerge. This data is used to enhance our defense (sic) systems accordingly. Currently BMW Group products meet or exceed all global legislative criteria concerning vehicle security.”
Dan
.BMW UK said:
"Currently BMW Group products meet or exceed all global legislative criteria concerning vehicle security.”
Frankly, that is barely worth the minimal time and effort it took some PR flunky to type.BMW group products do not meet or exceed what an increasing number of car criminals can surpass in only a few minutes, with kit and knowledge openly gained on the internet.
Maybe the statement should end "BMW acknowledges the risk of long term brand damage and loss of loyal customers but is so arrogant it doesn't care."
k off."
eastsider said:
Maybe the statement should end "BMW acknowledges the risk of long term brand damage and loss of loyal customers but is so arrogant it doesn't care."
It's not quite as simple as that is it? As they point out: if they weren't desirable, they wouldn't keep getting nicked!I'm not helping matters but I have just lectured a youth in the office on the value of items.
If you can afford £50k on transport, you can afford a garage. If you can't afford the garage, spend less on a car until you reach the point you can.
Unless you live in London where spending £50k on a box that goes 3 miles an hours for 2.5 miles a day seems to be a 'sensible' use of money that I don't understand.
If you can afford £50k on transport, you can afford a garage. If you can't afford the garage, spend less on a car until you reach the point you can.
Unless you live in London where spending £50k on a box that goes 3 miles an hours for 2.5 miles a day seems to be a 'sensible' use of money that I don't understand.
Frik said:
eastsider said:
Maybe the statement should end "BMW acknowledges the risk of long term brand damage and loss of loyal customers but is so arrogant it doesn't care."
It's not quite as simple as that is it? As they point out: if they weren't desirable, they wouldn't keep getting nicked!s2ooz said:
I'm not helping matters but I have just lectured a youth in the office on the value of items.
If you can afford £50k on transport, you can afford a garage. If you can't afford the garage, spend less on a car until you reach the point you can.
Unless you live in London where spending £50k on a box that goes 3 miles an hours for 2.5 miles a day seems to be a 'sensible' use of money that I don't understand.
It would seem that many of the recent thefts are from London. If you can afford £50k on transport, you can afford a garage. If you can't afford the garage, spend less on a car until you reach the point you can.
Unless you live in London where spending £50k on a box that goes 3 miles an hours for 2.5 miles a day seems to be a 'sensible' use of money that I don't understand.
Anyway, I wouldn't expect BMW to say anything else at the moment, but I'd be surprised if they haven't got everyone they can to look at it.
I wonder if its a design flaw as such, or just that a gang want to get their mitts on them so badly they've worked out a way. I mean if they wanted Mondeo's that badly would they work out a way?
If they want something bad enough they will get it. With the old Mercs they just lifted them up with a hiab and drove off into the night!
If they want something bad enough they will get it. With the old Mercs they just lifted them up with a hiab and drove off into the night!
mk4 vw golfs and passats have a design flaw whereby you can open the central locking (and thus get in the car without the alarm going off) after you pull out the door lock (which is quite easy to do). You need to 'delock' them. VW never did a damn thing about it, it's up to individual owners to do it. My brother had all his airbags stolen out of his passat via this method (cost a helluva lot back then when passat was a current model).
ripped out:
delocked:
anyway my point is I think manufacturers don't consider themselves 'responsible' if your car gets nicked by whatever method - as there is always going to be some way cars can get nicked. The thief is the responsible party.
ripped out:
delocked:
anyway my point is I think manufacturers don't consider themselves 'responsible' if your car gets nicked by whatever method - as there is always going to be some way cars can get nicked. The thief is the responsible party.
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