RE: Chris Harris video: Noble M600 and Atom V8

RE: Chris Harris video: Noble M600 and Atom V8

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neilski

2,563 posts

235 months

Sunday 22nd April 2012
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monthefish said:
Another great video.

neilski said:
I met Chris in the Pistenklaus after the first day of filming and the following day he took me round in the Noble and it was every bit as good as he says it is and then some! Definitely a motoring highlight for me.

If you're reading this, thanks again Chris. smile
Lucky bugger!
Chris is a really nice guy I thought. I was surprised more people didn't ask for a passenger lap. whistle

dharte

104 posts

151 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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Fantastic video, I really enjoyed it.

Given that the M600 is much more of a drivers car than the 458, MP4-12C etc, I've always wanted to see it put up against the Mclaren F1....

Japveesix

4,480 posts

168 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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Video here of a passenger ride in the new orange M600, it sounds a lot better in this one than in Chris's vid. Really does sound great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl2T-oQ9KTk

caraddict

1,092 posts

144 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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Japveesix said:
Video here of a passenger ride in the new orange M600, it sounds a lot better in this one than in Chris's vid. Really does sound great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl2T-oQ9KTk
Great clip!

Makes me wonder why M5 F10M can't sound about as nice...

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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Fantastic video once again. Chris is certainly on top of his game right now. Amazing he isn't on his own car show really.

Johnny

9,652 posts

284 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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Japveesix said:
Video here of a passenger ride in the new orange M600, it sounds a lot better in this one than in Chris's vid. Really does sound great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl2T-oQ9KTk
Love it. Sounds proper.

Porkie

2,378 posts

241 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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neilski said:
Chris is a really nice guy I thought. I was surprised more people didn't ask for a passenger lap. whistle
kicking myself now!

dlc74

37 posts

175 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Genuinely made my eyes water... an absolutely superb video Chris! Fantastic work...

AbarthChris

2,259 posts

215 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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LandingSpot said:
The noise is commonly referred to as wastegate chatter, but it is in fact a myth. The sound is caused by the compressed air flowing backwards through the compressor wheel of the turbo as the throttle is closed. Partial or full closures produce differently pitched noises and it is impressive how loud it can get. The M600's air intake system is probably relatively shielded from the cabin and the sound is more in the background than it would be for a car with less sound deadening between the engine bay and the cabin. I don't know how much sound deadening separates the engine bay and the cabin, nor can I quantify the volume of the sound the Noble makes.

It is not unheard of for external wastegates (commonly seen on competition cars with large turbos, but also used in road applications also) to be audible, but it is not this sound.

For a turbo with the wastegate housed internally, any noise emitted by it clapping shut repeatedly would be muffled by the exhaust system. This clapping is apparently also possible as the turbo reaches the boost threshold, but thinking about the operation of this I cannot understand what would cause the actuator to act in this way.

The term "wastegate chatter" does sound cool though (even though it is not correct) which is perhaps why the term has stuck amongst motoring discussions.


Etided for speeling

Edited by LandingSpot on Friday 20th April 13:53


The fact that wastegate chatter gets mentioned during reviews to large audiences also helps perpetuate the myth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVZ8QFTnb4


Edited by LandingSpot on Friday 20th April 20:15
Whilst you have a lot more knowledge on the subject than me, are you sure that the noise on the vid is going to be caused by the compressed air flowing backwards through the compressor? I know a lot of 'boy racers' used to try to get this to happen to recreate the sound, but I doubt Noble allow it to happen, as that will stall the turbine and can actually cause serious damage to the vanes.

In this case, I suspect that it is the wastegates, or the DV's blowing off boost to avoid stalling the compressor wheel.

JSquaredJim

238 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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AbarthChris said:
Whilst you have a lot more knowledge on the subject than me, are you sure that the noise on the vid is going to be caused by the compressed air flowing backwards through the compressor? I know a lot of 'boy racers' used to try to get this to happen to recreate the sound, but I doubt Noble allow it to happen, as that will stall the turbine and can actually cause serious damage to the vanes.

In this case, I suspect that it is the wastegates, or the DV's blowing off boost to avoid stalling the compressor wheel.
Recirculating BOV's fitted to the Noble, but a little of the compressed inducted charge air slips back through the turbos causing a slight stall and thus the noise you hear in the Vid.
People will have you believe that this will destroy your turbo instantly. Bear in mind the environment that a turbo is designed to run in. Massive temperatures, extreme speeds and a few bits of dirt for good measure. A little bit of slow air isn't going to kill it.
Another urban myth. Hope that helps clear up the "wastgate" noise conundrum smile

AbarthChris

2,259 posts

215 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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JSquaredJim said:
Recirculating BOV's fitted to the Noble, but a little of the compressed inducted charge air slips back through the turbos causing a slight stall and thus the noise you hear in the Vid.
People will have you believe that this will destroy your turbo instantly. Bear in mind the environment that a turbo is designed to run in. Massive temperatures, extreme speeds and a few bits of dirt for good measure. A little bit of slow air isn't going to kill it.
Another urban myth. Hope that helps clear up the "wastgate" noise conundrum smile
Cheers Jim! always good to get more info smile

Alfie Noakes

1,307 posts

270 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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just found this (cheers tim). I thought I was bored with 'Ring videos. Not any more. Will have to come back when I have more time.

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

236 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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i had to watch that twice it was so good !

have to say Chris you are one hell of a driver and jounalist, i would not be able to speak at half that speed

its only a matter of time before you have a tv show methinks

Morningside

24,110 posts

229 months

Tuesday 28th May 2013
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Bit late to the party but great video! I really, really enjoyed watching that.
And with the Atom I felt like I was there.