Clio trophy or jdm integra dc2

Clio trophy or jdm integra dc2

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300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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DanDC5 said:
Not true they were sold in a few different models over the years

86-89 the following models were available in the UK

1.5 DX 5d
1.5 DX 5d Auto
1.5 LX 5d
1.5 LX 5d Auto
1.6 EX 16 5d

The Type R models didn't come until the later 1995-on version.
Well they must have sold sufficiently few of them that you never see them on the roads. At least I have no recollection of seeing a non Type R Integra in the UK bar one scruffy JDM example some 6 or so years back.

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 16th May 15:45

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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melvster said:
300bhp/ton said:
But on the flip side the Clio looks like a hatchback that your gran might drive. Extra urban trim might spruce it up a bit, but it doesn't change the fundamental shape or what it is.
Don't most hot hatchbacks look like this to the untrained eye ?
Yes. Which is why I'd pretty much never personally pick a hatch over a coupe....

Puma over Fiesta
Celica over Corolla
Sirocco over Golf (MK1/2)
100NX over Sunny
Tigra over Corsa

etc etc

C2james

4,685 posts

164 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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vz-r_dave said:

Lol he was the one who got heated after telling fibs.
How dare you accuse me of fibbing. hehe

wy906

3,169 posts

173 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Hoygo said:
It was from the "Best front wheel drive" issue iirc,but might be earlier im not sure.
Nope, that's Issue 97 and EVO didn't visit Bedford (or any track) for that group test.

Kozy

3,169 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Is the EK9 worth a mention here?


TITWONK

530 posts

166 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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I was actually talking about the 172 cup so I'm sorry for the confusion, I here Renault sport clio and go off on one lol! 300 you will just have to except the Renault sport does look different to a normal Clio! Should have gone to spec savers smile and once you are used to looking at them the front wings make all the difference and so does the wider track smile the RS has a fatter looking ass!


Edited by TITWONK on Wednesday 16th May 16:10

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

264 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
DanDC5 said:
Not true they were sold in a few different models over the years

86-89 the following models were available in the UK

1.5 DX 5d
1.5 DX 5d Auto
1.5 LX 5d
1.5 LX 5d Auto
1.6 EX 16 5d

The Type R models didn't come until the later 1995-on version.
Well they must have sold sufficiently few of them that you never see them on the roads. At least I have no recollection of seeing a non Type R Integra in the UK bar one scruffy JDM example some 6 or so years back.

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 16th May 15:45
So none except the one you've seen?

There is a chap in the office next door who commuted in a UK 1.6 EX 16 5d until a couple of years ago. Same engine as the mk1 CRX 16i16. These are all 23 years old now, so naturally they aren't common.

DanDC5

18,748 posts

166 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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They are surprisingly well received on the odd occasion they appear on Honda forums, purely down to their rarity.

FD3Si

857 posts

143 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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DC2's certainly do encourage the wrong sort of attention - it's one of the downsides. We are constantly getting people trying to burn us off lights, or people sitting on the tail trying to push you along. Also had 'thumbs up' signs and eggings on from pedestrians who fulfil a certain visual stereotype. For that reason, image can be important. One of the main reasons we'd think about getting rid is because my wife feels a bit conspicuous in it in less solubrious areas. It's a shame when something like that affects the enjoyment of a car, but it does to some people. It's not about caring what other people think, so much as the attitudes the car encourages from other road users.

What I will say is test drive a few - first one we drove felt completely different - numb and boring. Wasn't impressed at all, and it was a 'never meet your heroes' moment. Like many older performance cars, the market is becoming polarised between the ropey examples and the well kept end of the scale. It's imperative you check out the latter.

There's also a hint of MX5 about them in so far as the old cliche that it's not neccessarily the speed you get to the destination, but the journey. They aren't rocket ship fast, however, the way they carry their speed, and the amount of satisfaction you get from wringing their necks, is what really endears them. I've had a few reasonably powerful cars, far more powerful than the DC2, but there are none that I suspect are as likely to lose me my license as the 'teg.

jatinder

1,667 posts

212 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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stew-S160 said:
No, the Clio would not be more comfortable, unless it had the Recaro seats. But even then, the Recaro Speed seats and the driving position in the DC2 are some of the best in any car, ever.


Of the two, and having owned a UK ITR DC2 and Clio 172 Cup, I'd pick the DC2 over the Clio without hesitation. The better car in all conditions.
Depends on opinion, if your quite tall the clio might be uncomfortable, short however it would be more comfortable than the integra.

I've driven both, owned only the integra.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
So none except the one you've seen?

There is a chap in the office next door who commuted in a UK 1.6 EX 16 5d until a couple of years ago. Same engine as the mk1 CRX 16i16. These are all 23 years old now, so naturally they aren't common.
No DC teg's so effectively on the type r and to the average joe they would have forgotten long ago what that faded red thing is with stick up lights and square alloy wheels.

StevieB

777 posts

147 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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DanDC5 said:
Don't believe the paper figures, DC2's have been timed a lot quicker than Honda's quoted figures. And I've seen more than one DC2 leave 182's on a side by side 'comparison'
Hmm, these cars are closely matched. Autocar road tests for a Clio 182 and Teg, are as follows;

Honda Renault

o-60 6.3 6.6
0-100 16.8 17.o
30-70 5.9 5.8

But the teg posts the stronger in gear figures, i.e 50-70 in 3.7 seconds in 3rd.

Actually I wouldnt have either of these, i'm current quite attracted by sub 5K early Clio 197s, simply because they are so much newer and lower mileage than average tegs and 182s...


Id tend to agree with this, in the original Performance car test, the Teg posted a sub 6 second 0-60 time, the first ever for a FWD car by the mag. The auto car times are revealing...

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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C2james said:
Surely things like overtaking, without having to hit vtec and those types of situations?
Why would you not want to use the VTEC cam? Would you not drive the Clio over 5000rpm either?

Dear oh dear.

Pistonheads - sedate driving matters

andye30m3

3,452 posts

253 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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I've had a DC2 and a standard clio 172 (not quite a trophy)

Both are good car, cheap to run and great fun so I don't think you'll be disappointed with either.

I'd probably go for the DC2 if I was to buy either again.

EvoBarry

1,903 posts

264 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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wy906 said:
Hoygo said:
It was from the "Best front wheel drive" issue iirc,but might be earlier im not sure.
Nope, that's Issue 97 and EVO didn't visit Bedford (or any track) for that group test.
The road testing was based at Bedford FYI, but they didn't test on track at all for that feature, it was just a handy location to deal with photos/admin etc as its fairly close to EVO HQ. The cover shot was taken at Bedford.


nottyash

4,670 posts

194 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Kozy said:
Is the EK9 worth a mention here?

bounce That was my choice, expensive, but rare especially in Black like mine.


Edited by nottyash on Wednesday 16th May 19:10

C2james

4,685 posts

164 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Right so basically we need a Clio/integra vtec hybrid thing. hehe

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885 posts

174 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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The DC2 also has a rather large amount of boot space.

Yes it's a coupe with a high rear lip, but fold those rear seats down and you'll see why the name vantegra gets thrown around smile

Plus the VTEC roar with a nice induction kit is something a little clio really cannot get near. Spine tingling!

NumberoftheBeast

442 posts

180 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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Drove a DC5 Teg so can't comment on the DC2, but the 5 didn't do anything for me. It just didn't feel "that" quick. Having said that, didn't open it up on any twisties and I am presuming that for both cars, this is where they make sense.

A very close friend and my brother both own Clio Trophys. Been in both and driven one and they are great cars.

To explain how good the Clio Trophy is, the previous owner who had it before my bro contacted him before Xmas wanting to buy it back. At the time, my brother declined so the lad went and bought another one. It's too late now, but my bro has now decided to sell as he fancies the Megane. He is OCD with his cars and it is a great example; unsure of any details, but do PM if interested and I will give you his details.

EvoBarry

1,903 posts

264 months

Wednesday 16th May 2012
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To fully appreciate a DC2 you have to really lean on it, push it right to the limits, otherwise it can leave you feeling a bit nonplussed imo. Its a pleasant motor to potter about it in if you have too, the Recaros, the Momo wheel, titanium gearknob, the LSD, the mechanical nature of everything working in harmony. Take one by the scruff and really hammer it down some twisties though and the damping and the overall cohesive nature of how it works is addictive and intoxicating for a small fwd car. I had mine for seven years and it was still enjoyable at the end of its time with me. If they had continued making them I think I'd have just bought a newer one to replace it!!

I've been in and driven 172/182 and Trophy (even passengered in EVOs Trophy with Harry driving) and whilst they are great cars I was always left feeling it was just "grip" rather than handling per se, whereas the DC2 is the opposite, it uses its limited grip to exacting standards and allows immense cross country pace once you get to grips with them. Sure, modern chassis and engine tech has left them behind but they'll still match a modern hot hatch for cross country pace, which says wonders for a car designed in the 90s IMO!

It doesn't mean much in real terms but don't forget the DC2 beat the (newer) Trophy for Greatest Fwd Drivers car honours, in EVO (100). biggrin