School Transportation of P1's
Discussion
Saabhonda said:
Hi All,
My 5 year old was going on his first school trip, There are 19 kids in the class and so the school decided it would be a good idea to use 2 of the teachers own cars as the mini bus was full. My child ended up in the back seat with 2 other children with no booster/child seats. The car was a 02 Clio with non standard alloy wheels and driven by an older teacher.
We are not impressed and have approached the school head teacher who was very sorry.
My Q is what is the law surrounding the transportation of school children??????????
Thanks Nick
P.S this is my first post.....
Blimey - OP - lets get the facts straight. How many people were in the car? of which you say 3 were children. How many in the back of the car? How many booster seats were there?My 5 year old was going on his first school trip, There are 19 kids in the class and so the school decided it would be a good idea to use 2 of the teachers own cars as the mini bus was full. My child ended up in the back seat with 2 other children with no booster/child seats. The car was a 02 Clio with non standard alloy wheels and driven by an older teacher.
We are not impressed and have approached the school head teacher who was very sorry.
My Q is what is the law surrounding the transportation of school children??????????
Thanks Nick
P.S this is my first post.....
If there were 3 children in the back seat of the car. Booster seats are not required for the centre rear seat if they do not fit the car.
Who sat where and with what?
SNIP> http://www.booster-seat.co.uk/booster-law
Are there any exceptions to the UK Booster Laws?
The rules state all children under the age of three must use an appropriate child restraint in any vehicle (the only exception being emergency vehicles and taxis where an appropriate restraint is not available.
In this instance under three’s should travel unrestrained in the rear of the taxi. Over 3’s should be restrained in the rear using the adult seatbelts).
There are three instances in which a child over 3 yrs and under 135cm in height may be allowed to travel in the rear of a vehicle using an adult belt. They are:
When using a taxi
When making an occasional journey over a short distance .The journey should be an unforeseen emergency, so this would not include the school run.
Where two occupied child seats in the rear prevent the fitment of a third seat (a third child, if over the age of three, may use an adult belt or better still, travel in the front of the vehicle with an appropriate child restraint)
In older vehicles that have no seatbelts fitted children from 3 to 12 can travel in the rear seat. The Department of Transport are keen to stress that this is not safe.
Emergency vehicles, including ambulances and police cars
benjj said:
I am absolutely, 100% with the OP here.
If this had been my child I would be absolutely f
king apoplectic with rage.
The school and teachers have a duty of care for all the kids under their supervision during school hours. They fvcked this one right up in several ways: lack of appropriate child seat/restraint (the worst fk up by far), no permission asked for sending a child in a teacher's car, no insurance declaration (to parents.)
The kid is fine, case closed.If this had been my child I would be absolutely f
king apoplectic with rage.The school and teachers have a duty of care for all the kids under their supervision during school hours. They fvcked this one right up in several ways: lack of appropriate child seat/restraint (the worst f
k up by far), no permission asked for sending a child in a teacher's car, no insurance declaration (to parents.)Mind you, I think you've been spending too much time on Mumsnet.
benjj said:
I assume that the mention of the aftermarket wheels is to point out that if the teacher crashed, killing everyone, that the insurance company would wriggle out of paying. This would leave all the parents/families of dead kids left to sue the estate of the dead teacher. This would net them up to and including the square root of fk all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.
So the OP has led you to contemplate a scenario which could lead to the death of your/other people's kids and your over-riding concern is that you might not get as much money as possible out of it?k all anyway so nobody gets paid out. Well out of order.Jesus.
I missed the word "school" and assumed that this was a thread about transporting lmp cars about. Aparrently not.
As a kid, the best feature in a car was the hatch between the back seats and the boot in mums old shopping mobile, getting through it while on the move without getting caught was a great game. I died 4 times doing it.
As a kid, the best feature in a car was the hatch between the back seats and the boot in mums old shopping mobile, getting through it while on the move without getting caught was a great game. I died 4 times doing it.
Baryonyx said:
benjj said:
I am absolutely, 100% with the OP here.
If this had been my child I would be absolutely fking apoplectic with rage.
The school and teachers have a duty of care for all the kids under their supervision during school hours. They fvcked this one right up in several ways: lack of appropriate child seat/restraint (the worst fk up by far), no permission asked for sending a child in a teacher's car, no insurance declaration (to parents.)
The kid is fine, case closed.If this had been my child I would be absolutely f
king apoplectic with rage.The school and teachers have a duty of care for all the kids under their supervision during school hours. They fvcked this one right up in several ways: lack of appropriate child seat/restraint (the worst f
k up by far), no permission asked for sending a child in a teacher's car, no insurance declaration (to parents.)Mind you, I think you've been spending too much time on Mumsnet.
superlightr said:
Blimey - OP - lets get the facts straight. How many people were in the car? of which you say 3 were children. How many in the back of the car? How many booster seats were there?
If there were 3 children in the back seat of the car. Booster seats are not required for the centre rear seat if they do not fit the car.
Who sat where and with what?
SNIP> http://www.booster-seat.co.uk/booster-law
Are there any exceptions to the UK Booster Laws?
The rules state all children under the age of three must use an appropriate child restraint in any vehicle (the only exception being emergency vehicles and taxis where an appropriate restraint is not available.
In this instance under three’s should travel unrestrained in the rear of the taxi. Over 3’s should be restrained in the rear using the adult seatbelts).
There are three instances in which a child over 3 yrs and under 135cm in height may be allowed to travel in the rear of a vehicle using an adult belt. They are:
When using a taxi
When making an occasional journey over a short distance .The journey should be an unforeseen emergency, so this would not include the school run.
Where two occupied child seats in the rear prevent the fitment of a third seat (a third child, if over the age of three, may use an adult belt or better still, travel in the front of the vehicle with an appropriate child restraint)
In older vehicles that have no seatbelts fitted children from 3 to 12 can travel in the rear seat. The Department of Transport are keen to stress that this is not safe.
Emergency vehicles, including ambulances and police cars
This post wins. If there were 3 children in the back seat of the car. Booster seats are not required for the centre rear seat if they do not fit the car.
Who sat where and with what?
SNIP> http://www.booster-seat.co.uk/booster-law
Are there any exceptions to the UK Booster Laws?
The rules state all children under the age of three must use an appropriate child restraint in any vehicle (the only exception being emergency vehicles and taxis where an appropriate restraint is not available.
In this instance under three’s should travel unrestrained in the rear of the taxi. Over 3’s should be restrained in the rear using the adult seatbelts).
There are three instances in which a child over 3 yrs and under 135cm in height may be allowed to travel in the rear of a vehicle using an adult belt. They are:
When using a taxi
When making an occasional journey over a short distance .The journey should be an unforeseen emergency, so this would not include the school run.
Where two occupied child seats in the rear prevent the fitment of a third seat (a third child, if over the age of three, may use an adult belt or better still, travel in the front of the vehicle with an appropriate child restraint)
In older vehicles that have no seatbelts fitted children from 3 to 12 can travel in the rear seat. The Department of Transport are keen to stress that this is not safe.
Emergency vehicles, including ambulances and police cars
TonyRPH said:
OP, your post sums up the nanny state that is Britain today.
So sad.
+1 - farther of a 3yr old. Sure I would prefer insurance, but the same parents (OP) have probably already signed the child up to the schools ski trip as well So sad.
let take down the climbing frames while we're at it.. damn dangerous!! ban the car!!My wife, a primary teacher, once had parents refuse to sign the permission slip to go to the safari park, because they were concerned the lions would be attracted to the lunch. f
kwits.Bayerischer said:
Jamie VTS said:
benjj said:
Yes, absolutely. Do you have kids?
No I did however spend 18 years being one.Bayerischer said:
Its a little different. Come back to this thread when you have kids. until then f**k off
Being 20 years old I have decided (unlike it seems the majority of the population) to wait until I am able to provide a decemt life for any kids until I spread my genes. I am shocked that someone as rude and ignorant as you is able to find any one to father children with. Saabhonda said:
Hi All,
My 5 year old was going on his first school trip, There are 19 kids in the class and so the school decided it would be a good idea to use 2 of the teachers own cars as the mini bus was full. My child ended up in the back seat with 2 other children with no booster/child seats. The car was a 02 Clio with non standard alloy wheels and driven by an older teacher.
We are not impressed and have approached the school head teacher who was very sorry.
My Q is what is the law surrounding the transportation of school children??????????
Thanks Nick
P.S this is my first post.....
Seeing as neither yours nor anyone elses child died I'd say just forget about it. The mini bus was full so they took your kid in a car, would you rather your child missed out due to lack of seats on the bus?My 5 year old was going on his first school trip, There are 19 kids in the class and so the school decided it would be a good idea to use 2 of the teachers own cars as the mini bus was full. My child ended up in the back seat with 2 other children with no booster/child seats. The car was a 02 Clio with non standard alloy wheels and driven by an older teacher.
We are not impressed and have approached the school head teacher who was very sorry.
My Q is what is the law surrounding the transportation of school children??????????
Thanks Nick
P.S this is my first post.....
I'm sure the school will make sure to book a bigger bus next time, chalk it down to experience and get on with your life
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