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RE: Dany Bahar: terminated

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rwindmill

131 posts

83 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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odyssey2200 said:
Hmmscratchchin
So within 10 days Lotus has investigated Bahar's shenanigans, passed sentence, dismissed him, interviewed and appointed a replacement,who just happened to be available to start immediately, without 1 months notice to his old employer.
wink

Sounds like wheels were in motion and his fate was sealed long before the investigation was made public.
I couldnt agree more. Usually when CEO's break the rules they are put on full paid Garden Leave for 6 to 9 months whilst the investigation takes place, and then they are dismissed with a big fat golden handshake. This guy has been axed in what would be considered a very short time for an average memebr of the shop floor work force, let alone a member of the board.

He either did something serverly wrong (and obvious), or this is just the tip of iceberg of his downfall.

rubystone

11,153 posts

184 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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JonRB said:
Oh do give it a rest. Just because SniffPetrol doesn't appeal to your sense of humour (or lack of one) doesn't give you the right to brand an entire site that has been running for 11 years as "rubbish". It just means that you don't like it. Move along, nothing to see here, thousands of other websites that might appeal to you.
It's like watching an episode of the Fast Show and saying 'what's so funny about a TV presenter who can't stop coughing?'. It's a running gag, that's all.

Anyway, back on topic...
+1

How anyone can't find the 'Ferrari offers Williams their unwanted equipment' picture both clever and amusing beats me...perhaps Peter prefers the more obvious humour of 'love thy neighbour'?

Now...to Bahar....thing is, if DRB was ever looking for a cast iron excuse to dump Lotus...an excuse that was acceptable to the politicians too...an excuse that showed it had tried its level best to make things work....wouldn't one that went 'we dumped the profligate CEO, went back to our engineering roots, but he reckons it'd cost £500m to get us back n track and quite frankly we don't have that kind of cash...so unless you do, we can't see any other option than to close the company'

Then BMW will buy Lotus cars and 'do a MINI' on it. As part of the deal, DRB keeps Lotus Engineering, the politicians get to save face and all's well...

rubystone

11,153 posts

184 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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[quote] Just look at the impact, the new Exige S had allready made, this is Bahars (and his Team's) child

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Don't insult his team by linking them to Bahar. The Exige S was built into the process from the outset.

rubystone

11,153 posts

184 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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rwindmill said:
I couldnt agree more. Usually when CEO's break the rules they are put on full paid Garden Leave for 6 to 9 months whilst the investigation takes place, and then they are dismissed with a big fat golden handshake. This guy has been axed in what would be considered a very short time for an average memebr of the shop floor work force, let alone a member of the board.

He either did something serverly wrong (and obvious), or this is just the tip of iceberg of his downfall.
Not if 'gross misconduct' has occurred. All bets are off then.

JonRB

54,095 posts

197 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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rubystone said:
Then BMW will buy Lotus cars and 'do a MINI' on it. As part of the deal, DRB keeps Lotus Engineering, the politicians get to save face and all's well...
That's depressingly plausible. frown

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p1doc

2,443 posts

109 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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interesting,but not as good as advert above story when i opened page "need a lawyer" lol
martin

DanDC5

12,234 posts

92 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Only just seen this, all I have to say really is 'Boo frickin hoo!!' biggrin

Hopefully they can stop faffing about now and start making some good desirable cars (Exige S is the perfect starter for the 'new' era), that'll do more for them than any marketing involving a rapper.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

199 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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DanDC5 said:
Only just seen this, all I have to say really is 'Boo frickin hoo!!' biggrin

Hopefully they can stop faffing about now and start making some good desirable cars (Exige S is the perfect starter for the 'new' era), that'll do more for them than any marketing involving a rapper.
exactly, and the sad reality is that if it was not the Dannyboy pissing all the money (for suppliers etc) up the various walls, the Exige S would have hit the road several months ago (if not 12+).

Just to be clear, the Exige S was well in plan before he appeared on the scene.


maffski

1,595 posts

84 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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smilo996 said:
...DB seemed to provide Lotus with a vision and long-term plan...
Shame he forgot to get a short term one though. Toyota had already stopped production of the 2ZZ engine (used by the Elise/Exige/211) before he took over.

His answer to the fact there would be no cars to sell in a couple of years? Cancel the V6 Exige development and close the dealer network.

The 1.6 Elise and (eventual) V6 Exige seem to have been them finally realising that they couldn't sit there for another 3 years with no cars to sell while the new range was being worked on.

I can't help but think if Mike Kimberley had still been here Lotus would be in a better position.

Shame, as I really liked the look of the new cars (new Elan for me), and I think the GTE looks much better than the base Evora. But they completely ignored the existing core product range.

Alfa numeric

2,864 posts

104 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Lord_Colin said:
Also, Lotus would be allready history without Dany Bahar. You can not run a business anymore, by selling hardcore lightweight cars, as great as they are, these days are over. Lotus needed and NEEDS a visionary like Bahar! Just look at the impact, the new Exige S had allready made, this is Bahars (and his Team's) child. So stop telling the same BS again and again, that Lotus has to stick to his lightweight pilosophy, it was right years ago, but times chanche, markets chanche and Lotus has to chanche as well!!
Bahar canned the V6 Exige initially, along with a £100k Evora-based Esprit that was due in 2010 and was pretty much ready to go. Without Bahar Lotus would currently be selling everything it does at present plus a convertible version of the Evora and an Esprit. Instead he decided to can everything, fire the dealers, rubbish the newly launched Evora in interviews and launch an ambitious (and expensive) five year plan. If it had worked he would have been hailed a visionary.

If it had worked.

MiseryStreak

1,484 posts

132 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Lotus said:
The Company today also announced the appointment of Mr Aslam Farikullah (known to his English friends as Andrew) as the Company's Chief Operating Officer with immediate effect. Mr Aslam, aged 51, has over 26 years working experience, most of which was eating rich tea biscuits, watching Eastenders, singing God Save the Queen and just being terribly, spiffingly English whilst donning tweed flat caps. He graduated from the English University of Bath, England with a Bachelor of Science (Hons) in Being English. A British permanent resident, which as anyone knows is as good as being English and makes one more English than the Queen, Mr Aslam and his English wife of 27 years (who was English before she was even born) have three English children aged 26, 22 and 16, their names are Biggles, Winston Churchill and English Rose.

Dato' Sri Haji Mohd Khamil Jamil, Group Managing Director of DRB-HICOM Berhad and also Chairman of Lotus said: "I would like to assure you that even though with a name like mine I could never be spun as being English I do drink an awful lot of tea.

DonkeyApple

28,049 posts

94 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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rubystone said:
Not if 'gross misconduct' has occurred. All bets are off then.
Well let's not forget that if DB plan to offload Lotus and be rid of it then they need to terminate Bahar ASAP due to his contract.

One also wonders if the new chap sees his move to Lotus as a promotion or demotion from where he was and where he was going? By all accounts he has been steadily climbing up the corporate ladder in DB, so we have to ask why a man at his very important age would effectively make a st or bust career move? If his kids were younger then I'd guess they may have wanted to be back in England while they were at school. Maybe the wife wants to return home and this was a good way to do so and remain in the company.

I'm afraid the jury is out for me and there is still every chance that he is merely a caretaker manager until they can tidy it up and sell it on. Just not sure there is cause to celebrate as of yet.

Jazz360

37 posts

118 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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JonRB said:
Well, Aslam could be just the Lion that Lotus needs

(Please forgive me)
Haha like it.

I remember reading in Top Gear not long ago about how Baher was set to take Lotus forward and prosper. I guess you can't count on anything these days.

Aslam Farikullah, well not too much is known about him apart from he has made his name in the industry working his way up with 25 years technical experience. Whether he has what it takes to run a company like Lotus remains to be seen, but I really hope he does. Long live Lotus.

JonRB

54,095 posts

197 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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What we really need is some rich Russian to buy the company and be hailed as its saviour and... wait, hold on a moment...

marshalla

15,902 posts

126 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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British Beef

1,042 posts

90 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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MiseryStreak said:
Lotus said:
The Company today also announced the appointment of Mr Aslam Farikullah (known to his English friends as Andrew) as the Company's Chief Operating Officer with immediate effect. Mr Aslam, aged 51, has over 26 years working experience, most of which was eating rich tea biscuits, watching Eastenders, singing God Save the Queen and just being terribly, spiffingly English whilst donning tweed flat caps. He graduated from the English University of Bath, England with a Bachelor of Science (Hons) in Being English. A British permanent resident, which as anyone knows is as good as being English and makes one more English than the Queen, Mr Aslam and his English wife of 27 years (who was English before she was even born) have three English children aged 26, 22 and 16, their names are Biggles, Winston Churchill and English Rose.

Dato' Sri Haji Mohd Khamil Jamil, Group Managing Director of DRB-HICOM Berhad and also Chairman of Lotus said: "I would like to assure you that even though with a name like mine I could never be spun as being English I do drink an awful lot of tea.
VERY GOOD!!

Wolands Advocate

2,426 posts

141 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Whether or not DIB had good reasons to sack Bahar, I'm sure it is exceptionally convenient for them to be able to do so and install their own man in the driving seat (even if it seems that man may be more used to handling HGVs than sports cars). Many new owners are fond of doing so.

SFO

4,533 posts

108 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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ESOG said:
T.K said:
This news has literally made my week! Bahar was corrupting Lotus because he has no idea what the true value of a 'brand' is.

Good riddance.

Onwards and upwards.
I totally agree!!
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Mikeyboy

5,018 posts

160 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Bahar was a man with a vision, the problem was that that vision was for his future, and prestige rather than that of the company he was in charge of.

He had a five year plan that paid little attention to the core values of his company, wanted to take it into a market segment it was going to struggle to break into, let alone break even trying.

His attiude to pricing had little conception of what the market would bear either. £52k for the Exige S? Rear subframe, new. body shell, newish in parts. Tub, old 13 years old in fact. Engine, bought in and so on.

Thats like Porsche selling the new Cayman for £75k and using the chassis from the 968, engine from a golf and just tweaking the lights...and then saying its exclusive.

Bad money management made the Exige cost that much. Tooling and R&D costs being largely paid should have meant that the Exige should have been more like £35k. And this was all part of Bahar's mad plan to move the brand upmarket, simply by making cars more expensive than the model they replaced.

I hope now that Lotus will go from strength to strength, stick to engineering led cars with a core value of handling over luxury and that they finally get a CEO who knows how to do all that while making money and developing new cars.

JonRB

54,095 posts

197 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Mikeyboy said:
His attiude to pricing had little conception of what the market would bear either. £52k for the Exige S? Rear subframe, new. body shell, newish in parts. Tub, old 13 years old in fact. Engine, bought in and so on.
And yet it still managed to hold its own in a recent EVO group test where the next cheapest car was £84k and the most expensive was £130k+. I'd call that a bargain.