How can someone not know what car they own???

[PetrolDriver]

Only thing sports about it is the set of MV1 wheels from the pre-facelift sport.

Seems bog-standard apart from the electric memory seats (pretty sure they weren't standard, certainly weren't on my 318Ci (actual) Sport back in the day. Weird that someone would spec them and nothing else? They are handy though.

They come with a nice spec as standard though to be fair with the climate, rear PDC, cruise etc.

[ajb85]

CampDavid said:

Indeed, though it's now a 2.0 turbo. Obviously

I like that my 4.4 litre 7 series is a 740i. Dunno why.

Think the original 740i started life as a 4.0 out of the old E32, before they put your big lump in which eventually found its way into a Morgan Aero 8 (is that right?). I think it all started when they dropped the 325i from the E36, and badged it 323 with a 2.5 engine.

How a 328i signifies a 2.0 Turbo however, is anyone's guess..

[Chrisw666]

ajb85 said:

Think the original 740i started life as a 4.0 out of the old E32, before they put your big lump in which eventually found its way into a Morgan Aero 8 (is that right?). I think it all started when they dropped the 325i from the E36, and badged it 323 with a 2.5 engine.

How a 328i signifies a 2.0 Turbo however, is anyone's guess..

Well the 316, 318, and 320d all have a 2.0 engine, as do the 123d and the 525d. Its probably very economical to produce a range of cars where the majority of motors run the same 2.0 or 3.0litre block and then all you need to do is build them up to the desired power level depending on application.

[CampDavid]

ajb85 said:

Think the original 740i started life as a 4.0 out of the old E32, before they put your big lump in which eventually found its way into a Morgan Aero 8 (is that right?). I think it all started when they dropped the 325i from the E36, and badged it 323 with a 2.5 engine.

How a 328i signifies a 2.0 Turbo however, is anyone's guess..

I think mine is just a stroked version of the 4.0 for a bit more torque (same power) hence the name should really stay.

Recently it's become acceptable to bung anything on the back of a car. The Merc E63 for example is 6.2 litre and the 116i is a 2.0 lump. It's all a bit odd

[PetrolDriver]

ajb85 said:

How a 328i signifies a 2.0 Turbo however, is anyone's guess..

I presume they're now needing to maintain the pecking order. i.e. the person who buys the 328i would not like it badged up 320 when the bloke with a slower/cheaper car is rolling around with (as an example, not sure if they make it) 325 on the back?

They also, presumably, already have a 320 in the range?

[ajb85]

True. Bring back ye olde days! I know that the current line up of Mercedes is equally if not more confusing.

[OlberJ]

CampDavid said:

and the 116i is a 2.0 lump. It's all a bit odd

And to think i thought the burd was talking rubbish when she told me her car was a 2.0L

[PetrolDriver]

OlberJ said:

And to think i thought the burd was talking rubbish when she told me her car was a 2.0L

It's bizarre really, the 116/118/120/123d are all 2 litre in various stages of tune.

130i and 135 are 3 litre.

Although in your defence I think the 116 WAS a 1.6 until 2008 or 2009.

[blindswelledrat]

PetrolDriver said:

It's more likely he's trying it on or a bit of a dimwit.

Or equally he is not 18 and the word 'sport' does not give him an erection?
I would deifnitely 'fall' for that. I would go and see it and it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference to me if the word 'sport' was present. The car would still be the car I can see and drive.
And if someone like you said after the event "Wow, are you seriously stupid enough to have thought that was a 'sport'?" I would just look bewildered and ask if you seriously believe it matters

[PetrolDriver]

blindswelledrat said:

Or equally he is not 18 and the word 'sport' does not give him an erection?
I would deifnitely 'fall' for that. I would go and see it and it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference to me if the word 'sport' was present. The car would still be the car I can see and drive.
And if someone like you said after the event "Wow, are you seriously stupid enough to have thought that was a 'sport'?" I would just look bewildered and ask if you seriously believe it matters

So you don't realise, you nip onto Parkers etc to get a price, scroll down to 320 Sport, wow, this one really is cheap, I'd best have a poke around. So you visit, check it out, runs well and you expect to run it for a year and sell it. So you offer him asking, after all it's worth it.

I'd suggest that the sport bit is not the only misleading bit, he's also called it a 320.

I rather think you're in the minority when it comes to whether 'sport' matters or not, especially on a car where the word sport means more than a sport badge.

Maybe the word sport DOES give him an erection and he expects similar of others?

Fact remains, the 320 sport is worth more than the 318 SE and its unfair for a potential purchaser to be thinking he's getting a good deal.

[JonnyFive]

I get this all the time at work..

Spec levels we offer are TS, TS2 and Sport.

'What car do you have?'
'Err, it's a TS2..'
'Yes.. But what model?'
'A TS2, thats the model..'

[CampDavid]

blindswelledrat said:

PetrolDriver said:

It's more likely he's trying it on or a bit of a dimwit.

Or equally he is not 18 and the word 'sport' does not give him an erection?
I would deifnitely 'fall' for that. I would go and see it and it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference to me if the word 'sport' was present. The car would still be the car I can see and drive.
And if someone like you said after the event "Wow, are you seriously stupid enough to have thought that was a 'sport'?" I would just look bewildered and ask if you seriously believe it matters

My 7series is a Sport but it's not on the V5. I didn't know if it was a proper "Sport" or not. Nor did I care.

I did check the V5 though, you know, to make sure I knew which model of car I had. Hiw will say 318i, not 320i.

[Chrisw666]

PetrolDriver said:

Fact remains, the 320 sport is worth more than the 318 SE and its unfair for a potential purchaser to be thinking he's getting a good deal.

Caveat emptor applies.

It also isn't an SE, it is a base 318ci convertible with sport alloys.

Edited by Chrisw666 on Thursday 14th June 13:12

[Captain Muppet]

Chrisw666 said:

Well the 316, 318, and 320d all have a 2.0 engine, as do the 123d and the 525d. Its probably very economical to produce a range of cars where the majority of motors run the same 2.0 or 3.0litre block and then all you need to do is build them up to the desired power level depending on application.

It's very economical to design an engine family around the same 0.5 litre cylinder. Same pistons, pins, rings, con rods, bearings, valves, valvetrain components, PCJ and stuff. I'm a bit surprised there isn't a 1.5 I3 in the line-up (badged as the 112, 114, and 316).

[ajb85]

CampDavid said:

My 7series is a Sport but it's not on the V5. I didn't know if it was a proper "Sport" or not. Nor did I care.

I did check the V5 though, you know, to make sure I knew which model of car I had. Hiw will say 318i, not 320i.

Might there be a small possibility that your car was an import? Friend of mine had a 51 plate 330ci Sport in Imola red, no 'Sport' on the logbook and the car was an import, yet the model number related to a Sport, on those grounds the DVLA allowed him to add 'Sport' to the logbook.

There is a world of difference between SE and Sport, especially nowadays, an M Sport BMW with all the associated kit is worth a lot more than the standard model. Current models however are easier to distinguish.

[PetrolDriver]

Chrisw666 said:

Caveat emptor applies.

It also isn't an SE, it is a base 318ci convertible with sport alloys.

Edited by Chrisw666 on Thursday 14th June 13:12

You learn something new every day. I didn't know they came in something other than SE and Sport. So that'll be an ES then?

[ajb85]

PetrolDriver said:

You learn something new every day. I didn't know they came in something other than SE and Sport. So that'll be an ES then?

No no, they never classified a standard coupe or convertible as an 'SE'. They are either a ci Sport, or just the standard ci model

ES in E46 form is below an SE saloon, no climate control, cruise, or electric rear windows.

[PetrolDriver]

ajb85 said:

No no, they never classified a standard coupe or convertible as an 'SE'. They are either a ci Sport, or just the standard ci model

ES in E46 form is below an SE saloon, no climate control, cruise, or electric rear windows.

Gotcha thanks! It's fair to say that the standard Ci model is equivalent to the Saloon SE then?

[tannan]

Hello all
Its our 1st BMW that we have had and we put it up for sale yes i admit it am a tit lol .
I just put-the car up as its the other half's and did not read the v5 .
I just put it up as a 320 as it was a 1995 cc. ?? did not know the 2.2 was the 320
As for the sport bit i did look at the v5 and you are right it did not have sport on it.
But the bill of sale when i got it for my partner said sport but to me a car is a car its still a BMW 318 ci.
And yes its got sport alloys and the seats with the 4 buttons.
I have put my ad right now and the car is going on the auto trader.
I did not set out to miss lead any one on the car at all.
And if i was trying to miss lead any one would they not tell by the pic's .
Thanks all Sean
Also to ad the car sale place i got it from had to replace the rear coil springs i had to wait as they said it had sport springs on it.
I have no idea what the dereference is

Edited by tannan on Thursday 14th June 14:48

[jay140285]

Fair play chap.


Separate note

Doesnt ES stand for Executive Specification = The one most companies lease for there employees so they have a BMW just poverty spec one.