Integra Type R vs Renaultsport clio 182/172
Discussion
bonesX said:
I suppose I like turbo's and torque. The VTEC is glorious when rev'd but really when do you want to be doing 8K on the road? Torque is what is easily lived with, it's what gets you out of situations, it's such great thing for getting you around in a nippy way
Have I logged into Mumsnet by accident?bonesX said:
I suppose I like turbo's and torque. The VTEC is glorious when rev'd but really when do you want to be doing 8K on the road? Torque is what is easily lived with, it's what gets you out of situations, it's such great thing for getting you around in a nippy way
So given B series Honda engines make more torque than your average 1.6/1.8/2.0, deliver 80% of it from 2500 RPM and hold it pretty much to the red line, you're saying that there is no problem with VTEC on the road? AreOut said:
bonesX said:
but really when do you want to be doing 8K on the road?
every time I consider it safe, thank you
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
Given that Type R engines make more torque than most NA engines of a similar size (but feel less torquey as the explosive top end knocks your sense of acceleration up to that point for six), and turbo engines make FA torque off-boost, are you saying that you think it's not safe to "dart around town" in a Type R, but it is safe to "dart around town" on boost in a turbo car?I think you might be talking a bit of shart there.
Mastodon2 said:
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
Given that Type R engines make more torque than most NA engines of a similar size (but feel less torquey as the explosive top end knocks your sense of acceleration up to that point for six), and turbo engines make FA torque off-boost, are you saying that you think it's not safe to "dart around town" in a Type R, but it is safe to "dart around town" on boost in a turbo car?I think you might be talking a bit of shart there.
sturobturbo said:
The noise of a diesel could be described as alarming. The noise of 8k revs is more so arousing.
I'd rather hear Tony Blair bleating bks than hear a diesel hitting its' 4.5k redline in a huge loud of disgusting black smoke.
I know I suggested a Fabia soot chucker but I'm not a massive diesel fan. the Fabia is a good economical all-rounder with a decent fun factor. My other cars are Impreza'aI'd rather hear Tony Blair bleating bks than hear a diesel hitting its' 4.5k redline in a huge loud of disgusting black smoke.
Mastodon2 said:
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
Given that Type R engines make more torque than most NA engines of a similar size (but feel less torquey as the explosive top end knocks your sense of acceleration up to that point for six), and turbo engines make FA torque off-boost, are you saying that you think it's not safe to "dart around town" in a Type R, but it is safe to "dart around town" on boost in a turbo car?I think you might be talking a bit of shart there.
I've had most of the sporty honda's and the only one that frustrated me as you have described above was the S2000 which always felt you needed to change down two gears to make things happen, which in and out of traffic is a pain in the neck. I never found it a problem with Integra's they go fine at lower revs (but of course its not like having the lbs/ft you get from a turbo).
rallycross said:
Mastodon2 said:
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
Given that Type R engines make more torque than most NA engines of a similar size (but feel less torquey as the explosive top end knocks your sense of acceleration up to that point for six), and turbo engines make FA torque off-boost, are you saying that you think it's not safe to "dart around town" in a Type R, but it is safe to "dart around town" on boost in a turbo car?I think you might be talking a bit of shart there.
I've had most of the sporty honda's and the only one that frustrated me as you have described above was the S2000 which always felt you needed to change down two gears to make things happen, which in and out of traffic is a pain in the neck. I never found it a problem with Integra's they go fine at lower revs (but of course its not like having the lbs/ft you get from a turbo).
300bhp/ton said:
But you do need to drive them hard to make the most of them. And there is a striking performance difference between 2500rpm and 6800rpm, so much so, that if you could snap shot the experience you'd almost claim they are two different cars.
This is very true. My mate who came out in the DC5 said the same. Said nice looker and decent round town, then turns into a racer on the blasts out300bhp/ton said:
But you do need to drive them hard to make the most of them. And there is a striking performance difference between 2500rpm and 6800rpm, so much so, that if you could snap shot the experience you'd almost claim they are two different cars.
And how long did you own a DC2 again?bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
its actually good that people know you are going to overtake
just another safety feature, ask bikers
AreOut said:
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
its actually good that people know you are going to overtake
just another safety feature, ask bikers
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