Integra Type R vs Renaultsport clio 182/172

Integra Type R vs Renaultsport clio 182/172

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lewis87

361 posts

202 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Integra.

Had mine for 3 years now and it has been great.





Edited by lewis87 on Monday 25th June 17:31

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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bonesX said:
I suppose I like turbo's and torque. The VTEC is glorious when rev'd but really when do you want to be doing 8K on the road? Torque is what is easily lived with, it's what gets you out of situations, it's such great thing for getting you around in a nippy way
Have I logged into Mumsnet by accident?

Marf

22,907 posts

240 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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bonesX said:
I suppose I like turbo's and torque. The VTEC is glorious when rev'd but really when do you want to be doing 8K on the road? Torque is what is easily lived with, it's what gets you out of situations, it's such great thing for getting you around in a nippy way
So given B series Honda engines make more torque than your average 1.6/1.8/2.0, deliver 80% of it from 2500 RPM and hold it pretty much to the red line, you're saying that there is no problem with VTEC on the road? scratchchin


rallycross

12,742 posts

236 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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spotted this bargain priced DC2



http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4010808.htm


bonesX

902 posts

179 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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AreOut said:
bonesX said:
but really when do you want to be doing 8K on the road?


every time I consider it safe, thank you
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
Given that Type R engines make more torque than most NA engines of a similar size (but feel less torquey as the explosive top end knocks your sense of acceleration up to that point for six), and turbo engines make FA torque off-boost, are you saying that you think it's not safe to "dart around town" in a Type R, but it is safe to "dart around town" on boost in a turbo car?

I think you might be talking a bit of shart there.

sturobturbo

5,746 posts

145 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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The noise of a diesel could be described as alarming. The noise of 8k revs is more so arousing.
I'd rather hear Tony Blair bleating bks than hear a diesel hitting its' 4.5k redline in a huge loud of disgusting black smoke.

bonesX

902 posts

179 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Mastodon2 said:
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
Given that Type R engines make more torque than most NA engines of a similar size (but feel less torquey as the explosive top end knocks your sense of acceleration up to that point for six), and turbo engines make FA torque off-boost, are you saying that you think it's not safe to "dart around town" in a Type R, but it is safe to "dart around town" on boost in a turbo car?

I think you might be talking a bit of shart there.
hehe A tad shart perhaps smile. On boost in a TD is very different from a say a 2l turbo petrol, and something like my New Age Impreza can really only be pottered about town off boost.

bonesX

902 posts

179 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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sturobturbo said:
The noise of a diesel could be described as alarming. The noise of 8k revs is more so arousing.
I'd rather hear Tony Blair bleating bks than hear a diesel hitting its' 4.5k redline in a huge loud of disgusting black smoke.
I know I suggested a Fabia soot chucker but I'm not a massive diesel fan. the Fabia is a good economical all-rounder with a decent fun factor. My other cars are Impreza'a

sturobturbo

5,746 posts

145 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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I can't disagree with the practicality and economy of a diesel, it's just I hate the racket and mess they make. And I tend to find most people who drive them aren't my type of person either, so that also puts me off them, lol.

rallycross

12,742 posts

236 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Mastodon2 said:
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
Given that Type R engines make more torque than most NA engines of a similar size (but feel less torquey as the explosive top end knocks your sense of acceleration up to that point for six), and turbo engines make FA torque off-boost, are you saying that you think it's not safe to "dart around town" in a Type R, but it is safe to "dart around town" on boost in a turbo car?

I think you might be talking a bit of shart there.
I dont know if you've driven one or not but the DC2 does not suffer so much from this, its perfectly able to do quick nip in and out of gaps in traffic without needing to rev it hard, which is helped by the low gearing and light weight.

I've had most of the sporty honda's and the only one that frustrated me as you have described above was the S2000 which always felt you needed to change down two gears to make things happen, which in and out of traffic is a pain in the neck. I never found it a problem with Integra's they go fine at lower revs (but of course its not like having the lbs/ft you get from a turbo).


300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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rallycross said:
Mastodon2 said:
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...
Given that Type R engines make more torque than most NA engines of a similar size (but feel less torquey as the explosive top end knocks your sense of acceleration up to that point for six), and turbo engines make FA torque off-boost, are you saying that you think it's not safe to "dart around town" in a Type R, but it is safe to "dart around town" on boost in a turbo car?

I think you might be talking a bit of shart there.
I dont know if you've driven one or not but the DC2 does not suffer so much from this, its perfectly able to do quick nip in and out of gaps in traffic without needing to rev it hard, which is helped by the low gearing and light weight.

I've had most of the sporty honda's and the only one that frustrated me as you have described above was the S2000 which always felt you needed to change down two gears to make things happen, which in and out of traffic is a pain in the neck. I never found it a problem with Integra's they go fine at lower revs (but of course its not like having the lbs/ft you get from a turbo).
But you do need to drive them hard to make the most of them. And there is a striking performance difference between 2500rpm and 6800rpm, so much so, that if you could snap shot the experience you'd almost claim they are two different cars.

bonesX

902 posts

179 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
But you do need to drive them hard to make the most of them. And there is a striking performance difference between 2500rpm and 6800rpm, so much so, that if you could snap shot the experience you'd almost claim they are two different cars.
This is very true. My mate who came out in the DC5 said the same. Said nice looker and decent round town, then turns into a racer on the blasts out

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
But you do need to drive them hard to make the most of them. And there is a striking performance difference between 2500rpm and 6800rpm, so much so, that if you could snap shot the experience you'd almost claim they are two different cars.
And how long did you own a DC2 again?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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yonex said:
And how long did you own a DC2 again?
who cares idiot

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...


its actually good that people know you are going to overtake

just another safety feature, ask bikers

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
who cares idiot
If you are going to give an opinion about a car normally you need to know something about it, unless you are called Matt and have an alter ego on the internet.

biggrin

bonesX

902 posts

179 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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AreOut said:
bonesX said:
OK, in certain situations 8K is OK, but to be clearer, I was trying to say the VTEC is pretty gutless until into the VTEC stage. It's not a 'nippy' car you can dart about in around town and if you want to overtake you find the need to change down to 2nd to get the revs right up and scream it onto 8K. The noise is alarming for anyone around, it attracts attention...


its actually good that people know you are going to overtake

just another safety feature, ask bikers
Do you thinks so. I think that is unreliable as the person may be old and half deaf, playing loud music etc. Plus if they can hear OK it startles them, which may have the opposite effect. Only playing Dev's Advocate, personally prefer a flash of the lights smile

TameRacingDriver

18,046 posts

271 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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I remember VTECing past an old bloke once (it was coming out of a village into NSL before anyone asks) in my teg and the poor guy jumped in the bushes hehe

bonesX

902 posts

179 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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TameRacingDriver said:
I remember VTECing past an old bloke once (it was coming out of a village into NSL before anyone asks) in my teg and the poor guy jumped in the bushes hehe
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