Cars you didn't know existed...

Cars you didn't know existed...

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Jazzy Jag

2,485 posts

51 months

Sunday 6th September
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Veeayt said:
Ssang Young Rodius has a younger, uglier brother - behold the Stavic. I've actually seen one on the street and wondered if blind people are allowed to drive.
Rodius was always the Stavic.

It was the same vehicle with different badges depending on market preference.

Interestingly it was available with 4 rows of seats as an 11 seater, iirc.

I attended the initial launch training in Korea back in 2005.

Blown2CV

24,284 posts

163 months

Sunday 6th September
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saaby93 said:
i know that isn't their only advert for the car, and the one on their site is likely incredibly detailed and i am sure they are very reputable... but that eBay listing is utter ste. Literally two sentences only about that particular example being offered for sale... and then a load of guff about the inception of the XJ220.

edit nope their website listing is the same wording precisely. WTF.

lowdrag

10,897 posts

173 months

Sunday 6th September
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How I remember seeing the XJ220 sitting at an angle at the Motor Show in 1988! When it was finally produced the classic car market had collapsed, and people were using the change of specification to demand the refund of their £50,000 deposits, but it seems that many had not read their contracts which, on Jaguar's side, were watertight. They had contracted to buy the car, come what may. In the end, Jaguar let the matter drop but kept the deposits, and for the investors it was better to lose £50,000 than to take delivery of the car and lose a far greater sum. The contract price was £290,000 but with complex index-linking built in, which made the final price £490,000. In 2003 one with 111 miles sold for £105,000, but by 2013 the price achieved was roughly £350,000, still way less than the original price. A friend bought the last one from Jaguar for £127,500 in 1997. I have the original embargoed press documents from 1988 and here are the first two pages:-





I can put the rest up if you wish.

Blown2CV

24,284 posts

163 months

Sunday 6th September
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i know it isn't in the same league as the McLaren F1 but could it make it to £1M one day... quite possibly.

Lester H

1,268 posts

65 months

Sunday 6th September
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ajprice said:
soxboy said:
I’m sure the PH editorial staff would be delighted to hear that you pay close attention to the articles on the front page of the website. wink
It's the forums I've got bookmarked, not the front page. I honestly don't remember the last time I looked at the front page.
Most of front page is always the same.

talksthetorque

8,244 posts

95 months

Monday 7th September
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Blown2CV said:
i know it isn't in the same league as the McLaren F1 but could it make it to £1M one day... quite possibly.
And would it get there before a cautiously invested £490,000?

Of course owning one for 30 odd years is probably more exciting than owning a certificate.

AAGR

890 posts

121 months

Monday 7th September
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To all XJ220 lovers. Many people - insiders, for sure - have now assured me that the original V12-engined/four-wheel-drive prototype of 1988 has never turned a wheel - it has not, in fact, ever been driven under its own power. By the way, when it was shown at the NEC in 1988, it was still not quite complete.





Edited by AAGR on Monday 7th September 22:29

Fane

1,157 posts

160 months

Tuesday 8th September
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Skoda Kodiaq VRS - saw one at Raby Castle a week last Sunday. I was actually very impressed with it.


lowdrag

10,897 posts

173 months

Tuesday 8th September
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AAGR said:
To all XJ220 lovers. Many people - insiders, for sure - have now assured me that the original V12-engined/four-wheel-drive prototype of 1988 has never turned a wheel - it has not, in fact, ever been driven under its own power. By the way, when it was shown at the NEC in 1988, it was still not quite complete.
The car was shown as a prototype just to create interest. The car never was a finished car, and it never was completed. In retrospect, if it had been, it could possibly today been on of the most collectable cars in the world, but it ended up as an emasculated version of what was proposed. And sadly, the crash of the collectors car market at the same time meant that it was tarnised from the start. That it took Jaguar six year to sell them all off, the last one at 25% of the original price, has haunted the car since then

carlove

6,047 posts

127 months

Tuesday 8th September
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Fane said:
Skoda Kodiaq VRS - saw one at Raby Castle a week last Sunday. I was actually very impressed with it.

I do think they look good (I don't like the normal Kodiaq), but they're also about £45k new, which as nice as it is is an awful lot of money for a Skoda. I'd probably spend another couple of grand and get an S4 Avant (I don't like crossovers though so a bit of bias in there).

lowdrag

10,897 posts

173 months

Wednesday 9th September
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Mentioning MacLaren, I think the last time I saw one actually on a track was in 1995 at Silverstone, doing a parade lap:-



And as I'm getting older I'm sending these two off to auction. They've been sitting on the shelf for the last thirty years:-





Whatever they fetch will go to the grandchildren. They cost nothing after all.

Edited by lowdrag on Wednesday 9th September 09:06

Jimmy Recard

17,273 posts

139 months

Wednesday 9th September
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AAGR said:
To all XJ220 lovers. Many people - insiders, for sure - have now assured me that the original V12-engined/four-wheel-drive prototype of 1988 has never turned a wheel - it has not, in fact, ever been driven under its own power. By the way, when it was shown at the NEC in 1988, it was still not quite complete.





Edited by AAGR on Monday 7th September 22:29
I love the XJ220 and don't see the turbo V6 and rear wheel drive as a problem. Actually I think it could be all the better for it.

I don't think that that prototype is capable of movement under its own power. I always thought it was mote of a full scale model of the proposed styling than a prototype

andburg

4,160 posts

129 months

Wednesday 9th September
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Jimmy Recard said:
I love the XJ220 and don't see the turbo V6 and rear wheel drive as a problem. Actually I think it could be all the better for it.

I don't think that that prototype is capable of movement under its own power. I always thought it was mote of a full scale model of the proposed styling than a prototype
We're getting off topic here but the XJ220 was never a poster car for me.

The XJR15 however....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3EXByUGNAo

Dapster

4,529 posts

140 months

Wednesday 9th September
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China's record of ripping off Western IP is nothing new it seems.

How about this gruesome Mercedes W123 based pick up?



Made by Bamin, a company owned by the Chinese People's Liberation Army.

Ride quality and refinement was assured due it being based not on the W123 underpinnings, but on this....



The other W123 based horror was the estate.



They were primary made for army use and few if any were ever sold outside of Fujian Province, and none are know to have survived. Remember these aren't W123s which will emerge from a nuclear winter, but decades old cheaply built knock offs which would all be a pile of dust now.

waynecyclist

877 posts

74 months

Wednesday 9th September
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Jimmy Recard said:
AAGR said:
To all XJ220 lovers. Many people - insiders, for sure - have now assured me that the original V12-engined/four-wheel-drive prototype of 1988 has never turned a wheel - it has not, in fact, ever been driven under its own power. By the way, when it was shown at the NEC in 1988, it was still not quite complete.


Edited by AAGR on Monday 7th September 22:29
I love the XJ220 and don't see the turbo V6 and rear wheel drive as a problem. Actually I think it could be all the better for it.

I don't think that that prototype is capable of movement under its own power. I always thought it was mote of a full scale model of the proposed styling than a prototype
It has no room for a fuel tank so has never been driven


Jimmy Recard

17,273 posts

139 months

Wednesday 9th September
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waynecyclist said:
It has no room for a fuel tank so has never been driven
Other things too, I think. Either way, common knowledge for many years that it's not a driving prototype

autofocus

2,486 posts

178 months

Wednesday 9th September
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Hi there,

Plenty of one offs in the Jaguar Heritage Centre including some I reckon people will not have known existed.

https://www.dunlopix.co.uk/Jaguar-Heritage-Trust-J...

Also if you need an XJ220 overload have a nosey here :-

https://www.dunlopix.co.uk/Jaguar-XJ220-Anniversar...

Regards

Tim

autofocus

2,486 posts

178 months

Wednesday 9th September
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Hi,

Have to admit this was a new one on me.

A Jaguar XK150 Bertone. One of only three cars I beleive





https://classiccarcuration.co.uk/jaguar-xk150-by-b...

Regards

Tim

ZesPak

21,141 posts

156 months

Wednesday 9th September
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I'm usually quite up to date, but someone enlightened me on this the other day.



This is an A-class sedan.



This is a CLA.

Merc has me utterly confused.
It created the A class. Then it made a sedan which they called the CLA (of which they also made an estate).
Then it went on to make a sedan of the A-class, which is the A-class sedan??

What's next, a 5 door Audi A5?

HTP99

17,423 posts

100 months

Wednesday 9th September
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Aren't those 2 A-Class' just one and the same, just with different names for different countries?
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