Engine Decoke as seen on Wheeler Dealers (Terraclean?)

Engine Decoke as seen on Wheeler Dealers (Terraclean?)

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sulli

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584 posts

219 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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Did anyone see the episode where Ed decoked the entire fuel system/engine apparently with a device that plugs into the fuel rail?

Assume there has been a previous post on this but the antiquated search facility didn't pick it up for me.

Anyway, anyone done, it? What are benefits/downsides? Thinking of doing it on my S4 to give the internals a spring clean - also got me thinking of the RS4 common issues of coking up that loses bih BHP and results in the need for head off decoking (£££)

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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Why would you need to de coke a properly serviced car?

sulli

Original Poster:

584 posts

219 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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I think because coke builds up regardless and isn't removed by normal servicing.

Don1

15,945 posts

208 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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Run Optimax - that helps clean out the engine.

Schuey M

178 posts

142 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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Use bp ultimtate/shell optimax fuel all the time and a few bottles of wynns fuel system cleaner.

smartphone hater

3,700 posts

143 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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I've had it done on my very high mileage Astra van & my old 3.5ton Iveco. If you believe all the bumf there are a multitude of reasons to get it done ranging from lower emissions (even if high enough to fail an mot) to extending engine life, what it also can do is correct spray patterns from dirty injectors. The benefits will be less on a newer car that does mostly motorway miles than a car that potters around town sitting in traffic.

For me the reality is that both vehicles now run smoother & both get slightly higher mpg. I will have at least my old Astra van done at yearly intervals.



Edited. Both those vehicles are diesels.

Edited by smartphone hater on Saturday 30th June 09:40

Blib

44,030 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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S0 What

3,358 posts

172 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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Willy Nilly said:
Why would you need to de coke a properly serviced car?
where does he say his car is propperly serviced ?

OP, it's more a way to remove the gum and residue from the fuel system as it is a de-coke, any well running EFI engine will need a minimum de-coke but gums and varnishes will build up over time and that's the bit that really gets the engine running sweeter and so prevents carbon build up (which is a by product of incompleat combustion), spray patterns and fuel attomisation is important when it comes to the fuel burning cleanly and efficiently and unless you are a regular with the fuel system cleaner in the tank it's a worthwhile job to have done.

cslwannabe

1,407 posts

169 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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What about the latest direct injection engines like the RS4 there the fuel doesn't come into contact with the valves so doesn't matter how good the cleaner properties of the fuel additives are...

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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S0 What said:
where does he say his car is propperly serviced ?
That's the point, look after if and all is mostly well.

E30M3SE

8,467 posts

196 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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smartphone hater said:
I've had it done on my very high mileage Astra van & my old 3.5ton Iveco. If you believe all the bumf there are a multitude of reasons to get it done ranging from lower emissions (even if high enough to fail an mot) to extending engine life, what it also can do is correct spray patterns from dirty injectors. The benefits will be less on a newer car that does mostly motorway miles than a car that potters around town sitting in traffic.

For me the reality is that both vehicles now run smoother & both get slightly higher mpg. I will have at least my old Astra van done at yearly intervals.



Edited. Both those vehicles are diesels.

Edited by smartphone hater on Saturday 30th June 09:40
If you don't mind me asking, what was the cost of each vehicle?

smartphone hater

3,700 posts

143 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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E30M3SE said:
If you don't mind me asking, what was the cost of each vehicle?
Roughly between £75 & £80 inc vat.

Edited. I just noticed you're in herts. If you're anywhere near the Essex border & Dunmow that's where I got both of mine done, I've known the family who own the garage about 20 years & can highly recommend them. If you want the details I can PM you.

PS. I am not affiliated with them in any way, shape or form.


Edited by smartphone hater on Saturday 30th June 23:18

Silent1

19,761 posts

235 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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All the posts recommending it on this thread haven't provided any real evidence that it either works or is needed and as the same goes for those fuel additives I would say it's pointless.

Pistom

4,967 posts

159 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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I don't remember the details of the WD program but wasn't it an XK8 they were doing and it had high emissions, the cleaned it with the gizmo and emissions were then fine. Isn't that proof it works.

I'm really not into these snake oil type cure alls but this was the first none mechanical decoke I've seen that looks like it works. That and long motorway journeys but even motorway miles won't clear gummed up injection.

Quality of servicing won't stop a car that's used for local journeys from coking up.

smartphone hater

3,700 posts

143 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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Silent1 said:
All the posts recommending it on this thread haven't provided any real evidence that it either works or is needed and as the same goes for those fuel additives I would say it's pointless.
How does one prove their vehicle runs smoother & gets higher mpg?

I thought the same as you & I am by nature a sceptical person. They should me photos taken with a mini camera inserted through an injector hole of the top of a piston before & after the treatment, the difference was black piston before & silver after.

I know you're thinking "yeah right" but I've known this family 20 years & I have no reason to believe they were giving me bullst.

Astra Dan

1,675 posts

184 months

Saturday 30th June 2012
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Hmm. I've taken the head off my 150k mile GTE and I nearly didn't bother lapping the valves in again, such was the overall clean condition of the engine.

Has there been a running fault that's caused the engine to run rich for a while? If not, and a 'crap Vauxhall' doesn't need a decoke after 150k, why would a flash S4 need one?
This is a genuine question, not a sarcy comment. I thought decokes were left behind in the era of carbs etc. Saying that, my 1.3 Astra was good after a similar mileage.

PhillipM

6,518 posts

189 months

Sunday 1st July 2012
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I just slap a bit of 2-stroke oil in, does the same job, gives better lube, much cheaper....

RizzoTheRat

25,155 posts

192 months

Sunday 1st July 2012
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Most of the coking's not even in the engine. I helped a mate sort out his EGR valve the other week and I can't believe how fantastic a system that is for filling the entire inlet system with crud. He was scraping huge lumps out of the inlet manifold with a screwdriver.

Defcon5

6,181 posts

191 months

Sunday 1st July 2012
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Astra Dan said:
Has there been a running fault that's caused the engine to run rich for a while? If not, and a 'crap Vauxhall' doesn't need a decoke after 150k, why would a flash S4 need one?
Direct injection, EGR and PCV.

GTiVR6

3,619 posts

201 months

Sunday 1st July 2012
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Agree on the EGR thing; amazing how much gunk can build up in there.