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what they often do is cut off the roof and 'flatpack' the cars into a container, they then send the roof same way and put them back together the other end.
Alot of stolen to order cars are done this way - unfortunately the last two gangs we tracked were being arranged by a single 'legit car dealer'. We could never get enough on him to convict and only ever put away the hired hands.
For info he was based in East London and had a preference for American muscle cars.
what they often do is cut off the roof and 'flatpack' the cars into a container, they then send the roof same way and put them back together the other end.
Alot of stolen to order cars are done this way - unfortunately the last two gangs we tracked were being arranged by a single 'legit car dealer'. We could never get enough on him to convict and only ever put away the hired hands.
For info he was based in East London and had a preference for American muscle cars.
In terms of media publicity what about linking it in with the Olympics:
http://i.autoblog.com/2012/05/01/bmw-unveils-armad...
http://i.autoblog.com/2012/05/01/bmw-unveils-armad...
I keep saying it in the hopes someone will listen. A £2 switch wired into the fuel pump or ignition loom and no OBD key programmer will start the car. Sure they could probably take the time to search for the switch, but that sort tend to not like lingering more than a few minutes assuming they even have a clue what they are looking for.
Another tactic would be disabling the OBD port. It is only used for diagnostics and servicing so no need to have it enabled on a daily basis. Crim sticks his programmer in, gets no joy with new key, gives up and goes away.
Any competent auto electrician could carry out either or both of those measures, though it is well within the realm of anyone who can cut and crimp wires.
It is a known problem, why sit back and hope someone else does something to fix the problem before it strikes you?.
Another tactic would be disabling the OBD port. It is only used for diagnostics and servicing so no need to have it enabled on a daily basis. Crim sticks his programmer in, gets no joy with new key, gives up and goes away.
Any competent auto electrician could carry out either or both of those measures, though it is well within the realm of anyone who can cut and crimp wires.
It is a known problem, why sit back and hope someone else does something to fix the problem before it strikes you?.
GC8 said:
The solution would appear to be the physical disabling the OBD port. Allowing the port to remain live without requiring that a validated key is present, enabling the coding of a replacement key is a rather schoolboy error on BMWs part.
Yep. All well and good. Until you lose you car key and they can't reprogram a new one to work because the OBD port isn't enabled...Spuggy said:
This is one of my worst fears... I have just been online and bought http://www.amazon.co.uk/StopLock-Thatcham-Approved...
Hopefully will keep them away from my M5...
Send it back!Hopefully will keep them away from my M5...
Buy a proper Disklok instead.
The one you got can be used to either give extra leverage to snap the steering lock, or can be remove in seconds by hack sawing a section of the steering wheel off.
Ive had a Disklok since 2004 and its easily be best deterent you can get. Yes, its a bit big and clumsy but you after a little practice you can fit and remove it in seconds.
PS. go for the yellow one, not the nice looking silver one. Its meant to stick out like a sore thumb, not blend in!
The Moose said:
GC8 said:
The solution would appear to be the physical disabling the OBD port. Allowing the port to remain live without requiring that a validated key is present, enabling the coding of a replacement key is a rather schoolboy error on BMWs part.
Yep. All well and good. Until you lose you car key and they can't reprogram a new one to work because the OBD port isn't enabled...Anyway, even a simple physical interuption would prevent what we have just witnessed from happening.
This whole thing boils my piss. Not just the car being taken, all of it.
Suggestions of wiring up a dummy OBD plug, suggestions about an inline switch to disable the fuel pump, suggestions that thieves will take it regardless.
Here's a suggestion: we need a society with targeted Policing so that
s like this are in fear of the consequences of their actions and have just cause to realistically think they will be caught and appropriately punished.
Why should you have to live in fear of your home being invaded for your car keys because you own something nice? Why should you have to install a fking moat to stop it being pushed off your driveway?
Suggestions of wiring up a dummy OBD plug, suggestions about an inline switch to disable the fuel pump, suggestions that thieves will take it regardless.
Here's a suggestion: we need a society with targeted Policing so that
s like this are in fear of the consequences of their actions and have just cause to realistically think they will be caught and appropriately punished.Why should you have to live in fear of your home being invaded for your car keys because you own something nice? Why should you have to install a f
king moat to stop it being pushed off your driveway?Cut fingers off, it exposes them to the public, and still gives them the chance to go about a better way of life. Really is lowest of scum.
Re the it's only a car, your insurance paid out comments etc you always get with things like this. Aren't 'just' 450 of these made? So the chances of having another become difficult even with a fair payout, must be a horrible feeling.
Re the it's only a car, your insurance paid out comments etc you always get with things like this. Aren't 'just' 450 of these made? So the chances of having another become difficult even with a fair payout, must be a horrible feeling.
emicen said:
This whole thing boils my piss. Not just the car being taken, all of it.
Suggestions of wiring up a dummy OBD plug, suggestions about an inline switch to disable the fuel pump, suggestions that thieves will take it regardless.
Here's a suggestion: we need a society with targeted Policing so thats like this are in fear of the consequences of their actions and have just cause to realistically think they will be caught and appropriately punished.
Why should you have to live in fear of your home being invaded for your car keys because you own something nice? Why should you have to install a fking moat to stop it being pushed off your driveway?
Indeed. I'd actually like to see criminals like this treated more harshly than joy riders and the like. Don't get me wrong, joyriders are scum, however this is a pre-meditated business with high cash rewards and a decent stretch in prison is required as a deterrent.Suggestions of wiring up a dummy OBD plug, suggestions about an inline switch to disable the fuel pump, suggestions that thieves will take it regardless.
Here's a suggestion: we need a society with targeted Policing so that
s like this are in fear of the consequences of their actions and have just cause to realistically think they will be caught and appropriately punished.Why should you have to live in fear of your home being invaded for your car keys because you own something nice? Why should you have to install a f
king moat to stop it being pushed off your driveway?GC8 said:
You are presuming that a dealer needs to programme a replacement key in the same way. Id expect them to be able to supply a new key from the vehicles VIN.
The still need to 'pair' the key and lock system, despite having the VIN, in my case anyway. They'll also charge for half an hours labour as well - which is odd considering it'd take a thief 3 minutes max...
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