RE: Tell Me I'm Wrong: BMW Z4 M Coupe
Discussion
mmm, i've tried to like this car but tbh i find it quite hard.
Was a toss up between the Boxster S and this.....went for the Boxster S simply because i felt the steering/suspension set up was FAR FAR superior.
These cars have a strong following though! Will the hornets nest erupt upon Monkey for his slander!
Was a toss up between the Boxster S and this.....went for the Boxster S simply because i felt the steering/suspension set up was FAR FAR superior.
These cars have a strong following though! Will the hornets nest erupt upon Monkey for his slander!
I actually rather like the Z4 M's looks. 
I don't doubt for a second that all the dynamic comparisons are accurate, but there's just something about proper two seat coupes which I find far more appealing than saloons or obviously saloon-derived coupes. Surely I'm not alone in that respect?
I don't doubt for a second that all the dynamic comparisons are accurate, but there's just something about proper two seat coupes which I find far more appealing than saloons or obviously saloon-derived coupes. Surely I'm not alone in that respect?
crispyshark said:
mmm, i've tried to like this car but tbh i find it quite hard.
Was a toss up between the Boxster S and this.....went for the Boxster S simply because i felt the steering/suspension set up was FAR FAR superior.
These cars have a strong following though! Will the hornets nest erupt upon Monkey for his slander!
I'm with you - I tried one against the Cayman S when I was looking and the Porsche knocked it sideways for dynamics. That said, it has a lovely engine.Was a toss up between the Boxster S and this.....went for the Boxster S simply because i felt the steering/suspension set up was FAR FAR superior.
These cars have a strong following though! Will the hornets nest erupt upon Monkey for his slander!
kentmotorcompany said:
I wonder what motivates young Mr Chris to have a go at popular PH cars?
Do you wonder or do you suspect you know!?I always liked the Z3 M Coupe and when the Z4 coupe came out, I instantly really liked the design. Much more than I like the roadster version, and as such the M version of the Z4 coupe has always been a car I've fancied given that it combines what I think are great looks with a handy small size and that superb engine.
Having said that, I was intrigued to note that the chaps down at Munich Legends really don't seem to rate them. ML look after my cars for me and when I was in the other day, I happened to remark to one of them that the Z4M Coupe appealed only to be told that they considered it quite the worst M car ever made and that he wouldn't recommend getting one. Seems a pity if that's true.
I actually love the way the Z4 coupe looks! Much nicer than the roadster (which I also like). But maybe I just like the weird Bangle design, since I also had a Fiat Coupe for years (loved the looks of that as well). I think it's once of the nicest looking 'affordable' cars at the moment and a 3.0si is on top of my 'next car' list to replace the S2000 (M version too expensive for me unfortunately). Just have to drive it and see if I actually like it....
Jurgen said:
I actually love the way the Z4 coupe looks! Much nicer than the roadster (which I also like). But maybe I just like the weird Bangle design, since I also had a Fiat Coupe for years (loved the looks of that as well). I think it's once of the nicest looking 'affordable' cars at the moment and a 3.0si is on top of my 'next car' list to replace the S2000 (M version too expensive for me unfortunately). Just have to drive it and see if I actually like it....
Noooooooo! How could you betray the honda to a beemer convertible! Shame on you! Apply 50 lashed to your own back and get down to a Porsche dealer! Or get a trevor! crispyshark said:
Noooooooo! How could you betray the honda to a beemer convertible! Shame on you! Apply 50 lashed to your own back and get down to a Porsche dealer! Or get a trevor!
lol 
I'm just having a hard time really liking the Honda! Some days I think it's awesome and others I hate it and wished I had something a bit more refined and usable (am I getting old?). TVR would be great, would love a proper V8 Cerbera. But driving a RHD car in Holland wouldn't be very practical and would have no idea where to service it.Anyway, why the hate for the Z4? I see loads of the roadsters, hence why I like them a bit less (more of a fashion item I guess). But the coupe's are pretty rare and in my eyes great looking. I just wonder what they are like to drive.
GroundEffect said:
Reardy Mister said:
I wonder if we should also be adding to the mix: What does it do significanlty better than the 3.0lsi?
Steering feel, rearend stability out of lower speed corners, lack of runflats and that engine.It is a small muscle car and for that, I adore mine.
However, I ditched my run flats and that transformed the ride and handling, so that's hardly a difficult fix.
And the engine - well the N52 in my Coupe is no slouch! Plus it's SO much lighter than the M engine
Wolands Advocate said:
Having said that, I was intrigued to note that the chaps down at Munich Legends really don't seem to rate them. ML look after my cars for me and when I was in the other day, I happened to remark to one of them that the Z4M Coupe appealed only to be told that they considered it quite the worst M car ever made and that he wouldn't recommend getting one. Seems a pity if that's true.
Interesting.What reasons did they give?
I was going to buy the 3.0l Z4, but saw that the Z4M was just about within reach and couldn't resist having a look. I love difficult to drive cars, love the challenge, but the Z4M was so twitchy all the time. No doubt largely down to rubbish road surfaces, but drove a mate's Cayman and it was so much more composed (and easier to drive briskly). The 3.0l wasn't much better.
I'm now swithering whether I still want a Z4 at all. I like the quirky looks (definitely a grower), relative rarity (compared to silver Porches) and great value for money second hand.
I'm now swithering whether I still want a Z4 at all. I like the quirky looks (definitely a grower), relative rarity (compared to silver Porches) and great value for money second hand.
Hey guys,
I'm one of the Z4-coupe fanatics, but IMHO and regarding to several tests (uk-based evo-magazin and the german 'sport-auto'-magazin; pistonheads didn't provide a roadtest of the 3.0si coupe so far
) I prefer the 3.0si coupe, that offers a lot of driving experience for a far less money per month (in germany the insurance for the Z4M coupe is expensive). I've driven the 3.0si coupe as well as the Z4M coupe. They both have great engines(may I remind you that the 3.0si is the 'newer' one). But fantastic fuel efficiency and a better over-all-setup leads to the 3.0si without loss of performance.
I'm one of the Z4-coupe fanatics, but IMHO and regarding to several tests (uk-based evo-magazin and the german 'sport-auto'-magazin; pistonheads didn't provide a roadtest of the 3.0si coupe so far
) I prefer the 3.0si coupe, that offers a lot of driving experience for a far less money per month (in germany the insurance for the Z4M coupe is expensive). I've driven the 3.0si coupe as well as the Z4M coupe. They both have great engines(may I remind you that the 3.0si is the 'newer' one). But fantastic fuel efficiency and a better over-all-setup leads to the 3.0si without loss of performance.Jurgen said:
crispyshark said:
Noooooooo! How could you betray the honda to a beemer convertible! Shame on you! Apply 50 lashed to your own back and get down to a Porsche dealer! Or get a trevor!
lol I'm just having a hard time really liking the Honda! Some days I think it's awesome and others I hate it and wished I had something a bit more refined and usable (am I getting old?). TVR would be great, would love a proper V8 Cerbera. But driving a RHD car in Holland wouldn't be very practical and would have no idea where to service it.Anyway, why the hate for the Z4? I see loads of the roadsters, hence why I like them a bit less (more of a fashion item I guess). But the coupe's are pretty rare and in my eyes great looking. I just wonder what they are like to drive.
I don¡¦t hate the Z4¡K..and the coupe¡¦s do look quite nice but I still look at it and think Z4 with an M3 engine¡K..mergh.
Having tried this and the Cayman S (along with a few others, which don't even bear mentioning) I am mostly with Chris on this one, which was sad, because I wanted to like it....
I quite like the looks, although they seem bit awkward.
It's definitely an exciting car, but it fall apart very quickly when you compare it dynamically with the Cayman, particularly on the handling front. It can do sideways well, but with the layout isn't the easiest to place or balance, compared to either the E46 M3 or the Cayman (which is also not the easiest, but easier).
The engine is epic, but the throttle mapping is an abomination for a daily driver. If you want to blast at 80 to 100 percent all the time, it's fantastic, but if you want to take a ride to the shops or take a passenger without a neck brace it's a pain. Cayman engine also sounds awesome, isn't as eye popping, but ultimately gives the greater enjoyment more of the time. And if you want rapid throttle response, there is sport mode ;-)
The chassis in the Z4M is good, but not great, as it doesn't seem to give great feedback at anything below 7/10ths.
The suspension is diabolical for anything but smooth roads or track. Too stiff with not even 30% of the compliance of a Cayman, which again makes it unpleasant on jittery B roads.
As usual, this is just someone else's 5p, and we all like different things, so each to their own. I still want to like one
I quite like the looks, although they seem bit awkward.
It's definitely an exciting car, but it fall apart very quickly when you compare it dynamically with the Cayman, particularly on the handling front. It can do sideways well, but with the layout isn't the easiest to place or balance, compared to either the E46 M3 or the Cayman (which is also not the easiest, but easier).
The engine is epic, but the throttle mapping is an abomination for a daily driver. If you want to blast at 80 to 100 percent all the time, it's fantastic, but if you want to take a ride to the shops or take a passenger without a neck brace it's a pain. Cayman engine also sounds awesome, isn't as eye popping, but ultimately gives the greater enjoyment more of the time. And if you want rapid throttle response, there is sport mode ;-)
The chassis in the Z4M is good, but not great, as it doesn't seem to give great feedback at anything below 7/10ths.
The suspension is diabolical for anything but smooth roads or track. Too stiff with not even 30% of the compliance of a Cayman, which again makes it unpleasant on jittery B roads.
As usual, this is just someone else's 5p, and we all like different things, so each to their own. I still want to like one
miln0039 said:
GroundEffect said:
Reardy Mister said:
I wonder if we should also be adding to the mix: What does it do significanlty better than the 3.0lsi?
Steering feel, rearend stability out of lower speed corners, lack of runflats and that engine.It is a small muscle car and for that, I adore mine.
However, I ditched my run flats and that transformed the ride and handling, so that's hardly a difficult fix.
And the engine - well the N52 in my Coupe is no slouch! Plus it's SO much lighter than the M engine
te.The N52 is a nice engine - really torquey from bottom end but I don't think it's a sportscar engine. It's too linear and not a lot of fizzle at the top-end. It does pull really well...but never explodes like the S54 does at 5000rpm.
I've owned both cars. The Si was beautiful, smooth and a great cruiser but it all fell apart when you tried to drive it fast. The lack of LSD and that steering killed it for me
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