RE: Tell Me I'm Wrong: BMW Z4 M Coupe

[Pulse]

Urban Sports said:

miln0039 said:

CooperS said:

Rather unnecessary comment.

As it was to call my 3.0si vanilla in the first place?

In terms of coupe Z4 BMWs it is

The 3.0si is far from 'vanilla' though. Very few people have had both engines, so I like to feel I'm pretty objective on this one.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Pulse said:

Urban Sports said:

miln0039 said:

CooperS said:

Rather unnecessary comment.

As it was to call my 3.0si vanilla in the first place?

In terms of coupe Z4 BMWs it is

The 3.0si is far from 'vanilla' though. Very few people have had both engines, so I like to feel I'm pretty objective on this one.

In terms of the Z4 coupe it is though? The 3.0 was the basic car, the only other option was the M with the Csl engine, brakes, M diff, hydronic steering, non-run flats,etc etc

Not saying they aren't good though (they are-& have much cheaper servicing, parts & tax/insurance) but vanilla is a fair description

[Pulse]

That depends if you're calling it 'vanilla' like a 'vanilla' Operating System, or whether you're calling it 'vanilla' like the most boring flavour of ice cream you can get.

If it's the latter, then I don't agree. If it's the former, I can almost see the point, but it still isn't technically true.

[miln0039]

It's not vanilla to me under any of the above definitions. If I had a 4 cylinder E85, perhaps. But it's just not the case that it's vanilla. A lot of people aspire to even a 3.0si Coupe. It's just //M badge snobbery going on here.

Fair enough, it's the M. I'd quite like one as an upgrade one day - but for me I got my Coupe at the age of 24 by working fking hard for it. So for me, at my point in life compared to what most others are driving it sure as hell ain't vanilla.

I'm sorry if I mocked your spelling Cooper - nothing personal, you touched a nerve though.

[Urban Sports]

miln0039 said:

It's not vanilla to me under any of the above definitions. If I had a 4 cylinder E85, perhaps. But it's just not the case that it's vanilla. A lot of people aspire to even a 3.0si Coupe. It's just //M badge snobbery going on here.

Fair enough, it's the M. I'd quite like one as an upgrade one day - but for me I got my Coupe at the age of 24 by working fking hard for it. So for me, at my point in life compared to what most others are driving it sure as hell ain't vanilla.

I'm sorry if I mocked your spelling Cooper - nothing personal, you touched a nerve though.

Chill out lad my comment was tongue in cheek hence the smiley as I'm sure most of the others were.

Unravel your thong and get on with it.

[CooperS]

Urban Sports said:

miln0039 said:

It's not vanilla to me under any of the above definitions. If I had a 4 cylinder E85, perhaps. But it's just not the case that it's vanilla. A lot of people aspire to even a 3.0si Coupe. It's just //M badge snobbery going on here.

Fair enough, it's the M. I'd quite like one as an upgrade one day - but for me I got my Coupe at the age of 24 by working fking hard for it. So for me, at my point in life compared to what most others are driving it sure as hell ain't vanilla.

I'm sorry if I mocked your spelling Cooper - nothing personal, you touched a nerve though.

Chill out lad my comment was tongue in cheek hence the smiley as I'm sure most of the others were.

Unravel your thong and get on with it.

To add: I was posting off an iPhone so didn't look at your profile so it wasn't intended as a snipe in your car choice.

Just a way of divvying up the Coupes....... nothing more.

BTW i wouldn't head over to the Z4-Forum they can get into some right debates on choices of colour, roof preference and obviously engine. i just sit back and am reassured that even though i pay a high rate in M tax i at least am with a car with the right roof configuration.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

miln0039 said:

It's not vanilla to me under any of the above definitions. If I had a 4 cylinder E85, perhaps. But it's just not the case that it's vanilla. A lot of people aspire to even a 3.0si Coupe. It's just //M badge snobbery going on here.

Fair enough, it's the M. I'd quite like one as an upgrade one day - but for me I got my Coupe at the age of 24 by working fking hard for it. So for me, at my point in life compared to what most others are driving it sure as hell ain't vanilla.

I'm sorry if I mocked your spelling Cooper - nothing personal, you touched a nerve though.

What about the guy who worked f**king hard to get his 4 cylinder e85? That won't be vanilla to him over the Eco box 5 door he could have bought.

[willcoulth]

I agree with Harris, I don't see any tangible reason why you would have this over an E46 M3. The M3 is more practical on a daily basis and in my opinion cooler. In Le Mans blue with the standard 18 inch wheels or the CS wheels the E46 M3 coupe in my eyes is one of the best looking M cars ever. Also this wheel and colour combo separates the drug dealers (black and optional 19inchers) combo and marks it's owner out as a-man-in-the-know.
The Z3 M Coupe though is one of the most under rated M cars ever. Fast and fantastic looking, no one will look at it and not have an opinion, it might not be to everyone's taste but thats what marks it out as cool because it sparks debate. Some will say swoopy, low, aggressive and probably the best car ever to be stuck behind in traffic with those wide rear wheels and quad exhausts. For me the key to an M cars looks is the stance, the relationship between car, wheel and road. The Z3 M Coupe pulls this off so well, it sits low and wide and it instantly looks rear wheel drive, it just cool and something M division has pulled off superbly with the lastest 1M Coupe. The Z4 M Coupe just looks like a miss match, almost like a Z4 roadster with an ill fitting temporary hard top. This is a shame because the hardware underneath is proper M. Sadly the Z3 has it licked in terms of style and M3 has it licked in practicality, although if its a drift car you're after .......

[CooperS]

willcoulth said:

I agree with Harris, I don't see any tangible reason why you would have this over an E46 M3. The M3 is more practical on a daily basis and in my opinion cooler. In Le Mans blue with the standard 18 inch wheels or the CS wheels the E46 M3 coupe in my eyes is one of the best looking M cars ever. Also this wheel and colour combo separates the drug dealers (black and optional 19inchers) combo and marks it's owner out as a-man-in-the-know.
The Z3 M Coupe though is one of the most under rated M cars ever. Fast and fantastic looking, no one will look at it and not have an opinion, it might not be to everyone's taste but thats what marks it out as cool because it sparks debate. Some will say swoopy, low, aggressive and probably the best car ever to be stuck behind in traffic with those wide rear wheels and quad exhausts. For me the key to an M cars looks is the stance, the relationship between car, wheel and road. The Z3 M Coupe pulls this off so well, it sits low and wide and it instantly looks rear wheel drive, it just cool and something M division has pulled off superbly with the lastest 1M Coupe. The Z4 M Coupe just looks like a miss match, almost like a Z4 roadster with an ill fitting temporary hard top. This is a shame because the hardware underneath is proper M. Sadly the Z3 has it licked in terms of style and M3 has it licked in practicality, although if its a drift car you're after .......

Style is subjective and practicalities are for girls not men!

Also the Z3M is a far tricker customer to drive fast than a Z4M as its very old tech.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Just a few photos pinched off the z4 forum for the haters

[carl_w]

willcoulth said:

I agree with Harris, I don't see any tangible reason why you would have this over an E46 M3. The M3 is more practical on a daily basis and in my opinion cooler.

What if you don't need a practical car?

[Urban Sports]

carl_w said:

willcoulth said:

I agree with Harris, I don't see any tangible reason why you would have this over an E46 M3. The M3 is more practical on a daily basis and in my opinion cooler.

What if you don't need a practical car?

Exactly!

[Urban Sports]

It's days like this though that I would miss having the roadster if I had bought the coupe, had a blast out today to Oulton, unbelievable fun

[blearyeyedboy]

willcoulth said:

The M3 is more practical on a daily basis and in my opinion cooler.

That's great. In your opinion, an M3 is cooler so you can buy one of those. People who don't need the practicality and in whose opinion the Z4M is cooler can buy a Z4M instead if they choose to.

Everyone can be happy. There's a place for both. They have different things to offer.

[CooperS]

Urban Sports said:

It's days like this though that I would miss having the roadster if I had bought the coupe, had a blast out today to Oulton, unbelievable fun

Lalalalalala I can't hear you..... The Coupe is the daddy!!!! (Although i had the windows down wishing the roof went down as well)

[Urban Sports]

CooperS said:

Urban Sports said:

It's days like this though that I would miss having the roadster if I had bought the coupe, had a blast out today to Oulton, unbelievable fun

Lalalalalala I can't hear you..... The Coupe is the daddy!!!! (Although i had the windows down wishing the roof went down as well)

If I used it as an everyday car then I would have considered the coupe but I am such a fan of open top motoring and it isn't my everyday car, the noise is sublime with the roof down, I love it.

[Urban Sports]

Just thought I'd throw this in because I can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYVHu3a8QJo

[CooperS]

Urban Sports said:

Just thought I'd throw this in because I can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYVHu3a8QJo

Compared to this typical M3 behaviour (I didn't make the rules)

http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=mb32414ot#/...

[carl_w]

Urban Sports said:

Just thought I'd throw this in because I can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYVHu3a8QJo

The question is: at the end is he laughing because it's so much fun or laughing at the car?

[Urban Sports]

carl_w said:

he question is: at the end is he laughing because it's so much fun or laughing at the car?

It has to be the car, obviously, did you not read Chris Harris' very informative piece.