RE: Chrysler prices SRT Viper: 640hp for £62k
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IDrinkPetrol said:
Twincam16 said:
IDrinkPetrol said:
Why, in this age of badge rationalisation, can this not become a halo Lancia for Europe?
Because it's the complete opposite of anything Lancia stands for?Surely the Lancia badge should sit on something desirable?
It wouldn't really make sense for the Fiat Group to offer products that clash with each other. It's the reason why Fiat stopped making the Bravo - the Alfa Romeo Giulietta fills its shoes. It's the same reason why Mito prices pretty-much begin where Punto Evo prices end. The Lancia Thema/300C fits neatly between the Maserati Quattroporte and the forthcoming Alfa Giulia too, and within the supercar echelons, even though the Maserati and Ferrari V8s share common parts, they're different displacements and tuned to different levels, so people buying Ferrari F149 Californias won't steal sales from the Maserati GranTurismo.
I reckon if there was to be a 'halo' Lancia, it'd need to be something completely unlike anything else in the Fiat Group's range, even if it used common parts.
With that in mind, looking at Lancia's 'greatest hits', there are bonkers mid-engined Group 4/B rally monsters, the Delta Integrale, and a history of gorgeous small coupes and saloons.
The coupes and saloons are already taken care of. A productionised Fenomenon Stratos might be nice, but how about a kind of cross between a modernised 037 and a Delta Integrale, based on the 4WD variation of the Giulia and featuring an Abarthised V8. Sleek 'five-door coupe' style, aim it at the Audi S5. Perfect.
This may seem like a rant but this article is just misleading right from the outset. There is no VAT in the U.S. and given the relative economic gearing of our two countries you cannot make the comparison. In reality the price of $99,390 is closer to £82,000 in the U.K. including VAT and duties, but this does not include shipping, IVA, first reg and road tax. This is forgetting that you simply will not find one for MSRP in the U.S. for 12-18 months from the time its released.
£62,000?? I think not.
£62,000?? I think not.
It looks like the First Viper Generation,and i love it!
Good made back to the roots Style.
In the Seventies Chrysler and Dodge made Musclecars are
built in Switzerland for the european market.
These Cars had better built Quality and now are very rare and beloved
by collectors more as the US Versions.
Steyr in Austria builds for Chrysler The Voyager and the Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Maybe the Viper EU Spec Version!?.
Good made back to the roots Style.
In the Seventies Chrysler and Dodge made Musclecars are
built in Switzerland for the european market.
These Cars had better built Quality and now are very rare and beloved
by collectors more as the US Versions.
Steyr in Austria builds for Chrysler The Voyager and the Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Maybe the Viper EU Spec Version!?.
IDrinkPetrol said:
Vantagefan said:
"which produces the most torque of any normally aspirated engine in the world – a mighty 600lb ft."
I'm not sure of the conversion from lb ft to Nm but the One-77's 750 Nm must be more than that, and that's naturally aspirated.
Makes the Aston c553 lb ftI'm not sure of the conversion from lb ft to Nm but the One-77's 750 Nm must be more than that, and that's naturally aspirated.
Roll on Le mans Next year, looking forward to seeing the GTS-Rs in Action, that should also help with sales too 
You never know, we might get a couple of demo cars over here, Im sure Mr Clarkson would like to use up a bit more rubber on the Top Gear test track
Personally I cant make my mind up about the front end, some pics it looks good, others not so! I would like to see an ACR (American Club Racer) version with extra lights on the front.
You never know, we might get a couple of demo cars over here, Im sure Mr Clarkson would like to use up a bit more rubber on the Top Gear test track
Personally I cant make my mind up about the front end, some pics it looks good, others not so! I would like to see an ACR (American Club Racer) version with extra lights on the front.
Vantagefan said:
IDrinkPetrol said:
Vantagefan said:
"which produces the most torque of any normally aspirated engine in the world – a mighty 600lb ft."
I'm not sure of the conversion from lb ft to Nm but the One-77's 750 Nm must be more than that, and that's naturally aspirated.
Makes the Aston c553 lb ftI'm not sure of the conversion from lb ft to Nm but the One-77's 750 Nm must be more than that, and that's naturally aspirated.
Anyway, it's a helluvalot of torque... poor rear tyres.
Too bad the chances of seeing one in the metal are pretty slim.
NGK210 said:
According to Road & Track's "Specifications" box-copy: "Gearbox - 6-speed manual with 1-4 skip shift."
What's a "1-4 skip shift"?
That's what my Gen 2 Viper has.What's a "1-4 skip shift"?
Its for fuel economy
So you pull up to a set of traffic lights and stick the car in 1st gear, if you keep the revs under 1500 rpm the 'skip shift orange arrow on the dash lights up and locks out 2nd and 3rd gear taking you directly to 4th saving fuel The car has so much torque you can pull away without using 2nd and 3rd. But I normally drive the car a bit harder and hardly ever does the skip shift lock the 2nd and 3rd gear
To bypass the skip shift you just apply more revs,.......No problem
(1 Blip is all it takes)I doubt whether anyone walking into a dealer off the street will get a Viper at the retail price :
When I was over in Florida trying to buy a Mustang GT350 when they first came out, the official Ford dealers who had cars in stock had sticker prices on them between $10,000 and $15,000 over RRP.
When challenged about this, the salesmen were completely unapologetic : they simply said that supply was limited and this was the price people would pay for one.
Market Forces in action in the home of free enterprise !
Needless to say, I walked away. I've been very pleased with our 5.7L Dodge Ram !
When I was over in Florida trying to buy a Mustang GT350 when they first came out, the official Ford dealers who had cars in stock had sticker prices on them between $10,000 and $15,000 over RRP.
When challenged about this, the salesmen were completely unapologetic : they simply said that supply was limited and this was the price people would pay for one.
Market Forces in action in the home of free enterprise !
Needless to say, I walked away. I've been very pleased with our 5.7L Dodge Ram !
HFEVO2 said:
I doubt whether anyone walking into a dealer off the street will get a Viper at the retail price :
When I was over in Florida trying to buy a Mustang GT350 when they first came out, the official Ford dealers who had cars in stock had sticker prices on them between $10,000 and $15,000 over RRP.
When challenged about this, the salesmen were completely unapologetic : they simply said that supply was limited and this was the price people would pay for one.
Market Forces in action in the home of free enterprise !
Needless to say, I walked away. I've been very pleased with our 5.7L Dodge Ram !
HFEOV2,When I was over in Florida trying to buy a Mustang GT350 when they first came out, the official Ford dealers who had cars in stock had sticker prices on them between $10,000 and $15,000 over RRP.
When challenged about this, the salesmen were completely unapologetic : they simply said that supply was limited and this was the price people would pay for one.
Market Forces in action in the home of free enterprise !
Needless to say, I walked away. I've been very pleased with our 5.7L Dodge Ram !
There are two or three large Chrysler dealerships known for not marking up Vipers. The Viper community knows these dealers, and they get orders from throughout the US. If I was in the market for a GEN V Viper I know who would get my business.
Hopefully, since select dealerships are going to be given the privilege to sell the Viper we won't see widespread mark ups. Perhaps Chrysler will hold the dealer's feet to the fire. I can only wish.
i think by the time tax, shipping and shipping insurance come into play, price starts at just under £90k. Thats not half bad considering it is ALOT less than its rivals, which would be 458, MP4, SLS AMG etc etc and it also looks like a quality product unlike everything that has ever come from the US (apart from the Ford GT)
J4CKO said:
This gets said every time a thread like this appears, they do it because they can sell them, not for any other reason, none of the big corporate car companies are there to pander to petrolheads, they are there to make money, if it doesnt sell or gets legislated against they drop it like a plague rat.
That's exactly the case.Also I'd like to see how this engine stacks up against the Yamaha/Lexus V10.
I like the new Viper, but it doesn't set my heart racing. I'm sort of happy it exists, I'd never own one or am I compelled to want to experience one first hand.
Still, it'll give Americans something else to crow about. I've long been tired of the old 'vette ZR1/ CTS value comparisons with anyone European. Change the record.
I do like the look of the next generation Corvette though. That'll be interesting.
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