RE: Spotted: Honda NSX
Discussion
SWoll said:
Lyons said:
Ok, I’m going to be the first 348 owner to stick up for the Ferrari. The NSX was rightly a revelation at the time for two reasons:
1: A Japanese company makes a desirable mid-engine super car – normally the remit of Europeans up until then
2: It was a supercar with the usability and practically of a Honda, which was unheard of up until then.
Because of these two things it made a good story for the motoring press at the time, and got a lot of publicity.
But putting these two things aside, in hind sight it is clear that the 348 is much more fun, better looking, more special and desirable.
(ducks)
1: A Japanese company makes a desirable mid-engine super car – normally the remit of Europeans up until then
2: It was a supercar with the usability and practically of a Honda, which was unheard of up until then.
Because of these two things it made a good story for the motoring press at the time, and got a lot of publicity.
But putting these two things aside, in hind sight it is clear that the 348 is much more fun, better looking, more special and desirable.
(ducks)
Captain Muppet said:
Is it really much more dull than the 348 inside?
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The 348 isn't Ferrari's best work, but doesn't induce the same kinds of "yuk" emotions that a scan around the NSX's cabin does.
Agent Orange said:
Is the handling that bad? Never got to drive one by didn't Gordon Murray use the NSX as a benchmark for the F1?
Yep, according to the interview CAR magazine did with Gordon a few months ago, he samples all the supercars from the late 80's early 90's era, the NSX came out on top and he then went on to say Ferrari's of this era were crap, the Testarossa was rubbish. Lyons said:
Ok, I’m going to be the first 348 owner to stick up for the Ferrari. The NSX was rightly a revelation at the time for two reasons:
1: A Japanese company makes a desirable mid-engine super car – normally the remit of Europeans up until then
2: It was a supercar with the usability and practically of a Honda, which was unheard of up until then.
Because of these two things it made a good story for the motoring press at the time, and got a lot of publicity.
But putting these two things aside, in hind sight it is clear that the 348 is much more fun, better looking, more special and desirable.
(ducks)
I am sure I saw this pair on that test in the evening at the Little Chef services on the A303 near Salisbury:1: A Japanese company makes a desirable mid-engine super car – normally the remit of Europeans up until then
2: It was a supercar with the usability and practically of a Honda, which was unheard of up until then.
Because of these two things it made a good story for the motoring press at the time, and got a lot of publicity.
But putting these two things aside, in hind sight it is clear that the 348 is much more fun, better looking, more special and desirable.
(ducks)
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4666/...
The 348 replaced the 328 which replaced the 308 which arguably replaced the 308GTB4 whatever that almost 4 seater was called that arguably replaced the 206/246 Dino. The NSX was not a replacement for an existing model within the Honda range. I also think you're overlooking the Honda involvement in motor sport and the Senna links.
I'm not having a downer on the Ferrari, but I do like the NSX. Interiors? Those 348 seats with the red stitching reminds me of the Alfa 164 so it appeals to me.
I just remember Barker's PC LTT NSX eating rear tyres.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 25th September 12:59
Always loved the Nsx and i know power isnt everything and at the time they were comparable in performance to the competition, but as others have said, i just think they needed that little bit extra to have really taken that bigger chunk of the sales perhaps needed, kind of like the current GTR. If that was no faster than its rivals, would it have faired so well?
I have always been curious as to values in Japan, but they seem high too
so i presume its the cult status that keeps values high worldwide.
I have always been curious as to values in Japan, but they seem high too
so i presume its the cult status that keeps values high worldwide.marshall100 said:
BURN THE HERETIC!!
"The 348 was (and is still) widely regarded as the worst car the company had built in years."
I think you missed the 0 when you hit the 4.
I hope you don't mean the 308 that became the 328 (and the 288 GTO, sort of)."The 348 was (and is still) widely regarded as the worst car the company had built in years."
I think you missed the 0 when you hit the 4.
That is such a beautiful car (nicer than the 'modernised' 328, with a lovely sound and quick enough.
If you mean the Dino 308, fair enough, I have no love for that at all.
I have seen a few NSXs but have never driven one. I would certainly like to and it may well be on a list of cars I might like to own. However, every time they have been put on a PH pedestal, I have gone back to contemporary road tests which they never won, always beaten by a 911 and the "legendary sublime handling!" was also not what these tests highlighted. Could have been to do with the price though.
Nevertheless, it was seeing the interior that really put me off them (standard and Type R). Very dull 80s and after repeated slaggings of my then C5 Z06, I was rather at a loss to spot where the desire was. Still like to try one though.
On the other hand, I saw a 348 on a run once and thought the interior of that was very poor quality though it was of some age. It also looked quite tall. Then again, I never really "got" Ferraris after the 246 Dino (another V6) - far preferred Lambos though the Urraco and Jalpa were always fairly wide of the mark too.
Nevertheless, it was seeing the interior that really put me off them (standard and Type R). Very dull 80s and after repeated slaggings of my then C5 Z06, I was rather at a loss to spot where the desire was. Still like to try one though.
On the other hand, I saw a 348 on a run once and thought the interior of that was very poor quality though it was of some age. It also looked quite tall. Then again, I never really "got" Ferraris after the 246 Dino (another V6) - far preferred Lambos though the Urraco and Jalpa were always fairly wide of the mark too.
carinaman said:
I just remember Barker's PC LTT NSX eating rear tyres.
Wasn't that because it was a bit "oversteery" so the Honda dealer repeated added more and more rear toe-in and it kept being snappy and eating rear tyres until the put it back to normal, at which point it stopped snapping in to oversteer?It's been a long time since I read that.
Best car to feature in Pulp Fiction. Also driven by the best actor in said fillum. 'Nuff said.
(Somewhere I have an issue of Performance Car where IIRC a senior Mazda exec berates the hacks for placing the NSX above the contemporary RX7, when said Mazda was lighter and had more cast aluminium suspension components. Or maybe I'm wrong.)
(Somewhere I have an issue of Performance Car where IIRC a senior Mazda exec berates the hacks for placing the NSX above the contemporary RX7, when said Mazda was lighter and had more cast aluminium suspension components. Or maybe I'm wrong.)
LuS1fer said:
I have gone back to contemporary road tests which they never won, always beaten by a 911 and the "legendary sublime handling!" was also not what these tests highlighted.
It beat the 911 in Autocar 2002 handling test, and in older Car magazine testshttps://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searc...
Where it suffers in comparison to the 911 is the steering, which lacks feel and the weighting becomes inconsistent once over the limit
zebedee said:
If you mean the Dino 308, fair enough, I have no love for that at all.
Really? I love them. There's a yellow one, all be it a 208, in the classifieds now that looks gorgeous. Looks like PH classifieds is on the blink again as it's lots the photos...http://www.theferraricentre.com/used-cars/search/2...
i used to sell ( not many) of these in the mid 90s for Honda, still love them now. Im also the only person im aware of to have wrecked an engine in one.
I swapped our demo (non targa manual) for a demo in London (targa auto) and drove it towards Cambridge only for the engine to seize after about 45 mins. turns out the menchanic doing the PDI had forgotten to add oil. The light may have been on but with the sun behind me and the roof ( of the targa) off it couldnt be seen.
whoops.
I swapped our demo (non targa manual) for a demo in London (targa auto) and drove it towards Cambridge only for the engine to seize after about 45 mins. turns out the menchanic doing the PDI had forgotten to add oil. The light may have been on but with the sun behind me and the roof ( of the targa) off it couldnt be seen.
whoops.
First super car I owned was an NSX many moons ago... Loved the front and the profile, I loved seeing the front wings hunched up through the windscreen while I was driving, I loved the driving position, and in 1999 270 odd BHP was a quite lot! Only thing I didn't like was the back end.
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