RE: PH blog: in defence of the Clio RS
Discussion
KM666 said:
Renault need to offer a manual option at some point, perhaps they are saving it for a special edition like the trophey. Heres hoping because I wont be touching anything dsg used.
No chance. Have you ever driven a DSG or similar twin clutch system? or a decent sequential manual box?
why the hate?
My Clio 172cup has a manual box, so does my ExigeS. I'd love them ALOT more if they had decent paddle shift system and one less pedal.
I really like modern flappy paddle boxes. Work brilliantly when you are REALLY trying on track... and they are very relaxing on road when you aren't hooning and not having a clutch when stuck in traffic is a godsend.
Edited by Porkie on Monday 1st October 10:02
Porkie said:
No chance.
Have you ever driven a DSG or similar twin clutch system? or a decent sequential manual box?
why the hate?
My Clio 172cup has a manual box, so does my ExigeS. I'd love them ALOT more if they had decent paddle shift system and one less pedal.
I really like modern flappy paddle boxes. Work brilliantly when you are REALLY trying on track... and they are very relaxing on road when you aren't hooning and not having a clutch when stuck in traffic is a godsend.
That's my take on it too. Nice usability when you're on it, with out the hassle of a clutch when using the car as a daily. Have you ever driven a DSG or similar twin clutch system? or a decent sequential manual box?
why the hate?
My Clio 172cup has a manual box, so does my ExigeS. I'd love them ALOT more if they had decent paddle shift system and one less pedal.
I really like modern flappy paddle boxes. Work brilliantly when you are REALLY trying on track... and they are very relaxing on road when you aren't hooning and not having a clutch when stuck in traffic is a godsend.
Edited by Porkie on Monday 1st October 10:02
I used to own a clio 182 which had a fantastically driveable engine, plenty of power and then even more once over 5000 rpm. A greaty B road car. My wife now had a Clio 200. It handles unbeliveably well for a fwd car with masses of turn in grip and no sign of understeer. The engine is particularly hard work to make any good progress with. I drive a 2.5 Impreza WRX which probably had about the same power/weight ratio as the Clio 200 and having the torque from the turbo much lower down the rev range makes it a much easier and faster car to drive.
A 1.6 turbo in a Clio 182 would be a bad thing, but in todays hot hatches it probably is the way to go.
A 1.6 turbo in a Clio 182 would be a bad thing, but in todays hot hatches it probably is the way to go.
Porkie said:
No chance.
Have you ever driven a DSG or similar twin clutch system? or a decent sequential manual box?
why the hate?
My Clio 172cup has a manual box, so does my ExigeS. I'd love them ALOT more if they had decent paddle shift system and one less pedal.
I really like modern flappy paddle boxes. Work brilliantly when you are REALLY trying on track... and they are very relaxing on road when you aren't hooning and not having a clutch when stuck in traffic is a godsend.
I've only ever driven manual I will admit, but it isnt the feel, its the reliability. I mean that as a used car a manual will appeal more to me, I can work on a manaul gearbox. Have you ever driven a DSG or similar twin clutch system? or a decent sequential manual box?
why the hate?
My Clio 172cup has a manual box, so does my ExigeS. I'd love them ALOT more if they had decent paddle shift system and one less pedal.
I really like modern flappy paddle boxes. Work brilliantly when you are REALLY trying on track... and they are very relaxing on road when you aren't hooning and not having a clutch when stuck in traffic is a godsend.
Edited by Porkie on Monday 1st October 10:02
DSG hasnt been around long enough to figure out how maintainable these systems are. A manual box is tried and tested and so people have confidence in its longevity.
I just think it'll put people off, well its the enhanced exhaust interior noise that puts me off. Maybe it will age well?
Edited by KM666 on Monday 1st October 22:57
KM666 said:
I've only ever driven manual I will admit, but it isnt the feel, its the reliability. I mean that as a used car a manual will appeal more to me, I can work on a manaul gearbox.
DSG hasnt been around long enough to figure out how maintainable these systems are. A manual box is tried and tested and so people have confidence in its longevity.
I just think it'll put people off, well its the enhanced exhaust interior noise that puts me off. Maybe it will age well?
people who buy new don't care about 'longevity' or 10/15 years timeDSG hasnt been around long enough to figure out how maintainable these systems are. A manual box is tried and tested and so people have confidence in its longevity.
I just think it'll put people off, well its the enhanced exhaust interior noise that puts me off. Maybe it will age well?
Edited by KM666 on Monday 1st October 22:57
I'm a manual man myself and its just me and other purists who love the feel of a manual.
Technology is moving on and I admit using an auto in traffic at times is lovely and going flat out without a 3rd pedal to deal with (rightly or wrongly) makes it easier to drive at maximum attack (but with a manual that's part of the fun!)
My genuine concerns about the gearbox are price and added weight.
My genuine concerns about the car is its ugliness and having too many doors for the sexy hot hatch market.
Maybe a turbocharged, 5 door, DSG only Renaultsport Clio is totally different to any previous model, but I'm not so sure this will make the car any less rewarding to drive. A nice fat torque curve coupled with a quick shifting DSG box will make this car's performance incredibly easy to access. Couple that with the 100kg weight advantage and you'll have a car that's devilishly quick point-to-point. I think this car will win people over once it's released.
KM666 said:
I've only ever driven manual I will admit, but it isnt the feel, its the reliability. I mean that as a used car a manual will appeal more to me, I can work on a manaul gearbox.
DSG hasnt been around long enough to figure out how maintainable these systems are. A manual box is tried and tested and so people have confidence in its longevity.
I just think it'll put people off, well its the enhanced exhaust interior noise that puts me off. Maybe it will age well?
You know that the Manual gearbox on the previous Renaultsport Clio had big reliability problems yes?DSG hasnt been around long enough to figure out how maintainable these systems are. A manual box is tried and tested and so people have confidence in its longevity.
I just think it'll put people off, well its the enhanced exhaust interior noise that puts me off. Maybe it will age well?
Edited by KM666 on Monday 1st October 22:57
Technology has moved on. I wouldn't ever buy a manual car again.... love the new type gearboxes. They just work so so well in all situations in my quite extensive experience of them including ownership.
I also quite like the idea of the added sound inside and the ability to download different sounds etc. Its a bit of fun.
Edited by Porkie on Tuesday 2nd October 09:17
^^^^^Exactly.
Not sure why, given the ever growing dichotomy between cars' outright capability and how much of it you can use on the road, something being outright quicker point to point is held as high on peoples' list of priorities as it is, either.
Not sure why, given the ever growing dichotomy between cars' outright capability and how much of it you can use on the road, something being outright quicker point to point is held as high on peoples' list of priorities as it is, either.
Edited by 900T-R on Tuesday 2nd October 11:55
Porkie said:
KM666 said:
I've only ever driven manual I will admit, but it isnt the feel, its the reliability. I mean that as a used car a manual will appeal more to me, I can work on a manaul gearbox.
DSG hasnt been around long enough to figure out how maintainable these systems are. A manual box is tried and tested and so people have confidence in its longevity.
I just think it'll put people off, well its the enhanced exhaust interior noise that puts me off. Maybe it will age well?
You know that the Manual gearbox on the previous Renaultsport Clio had big reliability problems yes?DSG hasnt been around long enough to figure out how maintainable these systems are. A manual box is tried and tested and so people have confidence in its longevity.
I just think it'll put people off, well its the enhanced exhaust interior noise that puts me off. Maybe it will age well?
Edited by KM666 on Monday 1st October 22:57
Technology has moved on. I wouldn't ever buy a manual car again.... love the new type gearboxes. They just work so so well in all situations in my quite extensive experience of them including ownership.
I also quite like the idea of the added sound inside and the ability to download different sounds etc. Its a bit of fun.
Edited by Porkie on Tuesday 2nd October 09:17
I see a place for these types of gearboxes - on premium segment cars where the keeper is likely to do a reaonable bit of commuting/travelling but wants something to occasionally provide a bit more interaction than a plain auto if a clear stretch appears i.e. not a small(ish) French hot hatch.
900T-R said:
^^^^^Exactly.
Not sure why, given the ever growing dichotomy between cars' outright capability and how much of it you can use on the road, something being outright quicker point to point is held as high on peoples' list of priorities as it is, either.
Me neither.Not sure why, given the ever growing dichotomy between cars' outright capability and how much of it you can use on the road, something being outright quicker point to point is held as high on peoples' list of priorities as it is, either.
Edited by 900T-R on Tuesday 2nd October 11:55
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