RE: Wheel clamping: RIP
Discussion
I am so pleased to hear this! Though I did find the outrageous clamping fees I experienced as very good life lessons.
My worst was stopping in a carpark in Bayswater next to starbucks (im sure some of you know it) going in to buy a drink as i was bored sitting in car waiting for my GF to leave hairsalon, coming back in approx 2.5-3mins and seeing a big yellow £120 clamp on my car! The guys sit in a room with a window overlooking the carpark waiting for people! I drive past there sometimes and there are always a few cars clamped. Those guys must have been making a fortune, probably a good £1,000-£1,500 per day I'd bet.
My worst was stopping in a carpark in Bayswater next to starbucks (im sure some of you know it) going in to buy a drink as i was bored sitting in car waiting for my GF to leave hairsalon, coming back in approx 2.5-3mins and seeing a big yellow £120 clamp on my car! The guys sit in a room with a window overlooking the carpark waiting for people! I drive past there sometimes and there are always a few cars clamped. Those guys must have been making a fortune, probably a good £1,000-£1,500 per day I'd bet.
I got clamped in Aldi car park in Reading. I wasn't visiting Aldi which is why I got clamped. However, the thing that boiled my proverbial more than anything was that the release fee was £125 payable immediately!
Even the penalty for parking illegally on Chiswick High road is only £75 FFS!!!
Even the penalty for parking illegally on Chiswick High road is only £75 FFS!!!
Why is clamping so hated but were all perfectly happy to buy rip off motor insurance from scumbags? At least clampers have to run the risk of coming face to face with the person they're trying to screw.
I think clampers have more of a right to do what they do than manditory highwaymen pretending to be insurers.
Why do people seem to think stopping for a few minutes parked illegally is fine and that they are victim of these creul sadistic clampers? Does this apply for other offenses too? Oh its okay I was only doing 120mph for a few minutes because I was running late due to the fact im a retard who is incapable of forward planning. This simply promotes stupidity without anything to discourage it.
Its funny I always manage to park without getting clamped, but then im probably not nearly as self important as most people on here seem to be.
I think clampers have more of a right to do what they do than manditory highwaymen pretending to be insurers.
Why do people seem to think stopping for a few minutes parked illegally is fine and that they are victim of these creul sadistic clampers? Does this apply for other offenses too? Oh its okay I was only doing 120mph for a few minutes because I was running late due to the fact im a retard who is incapable of forward planning. This simply promotes stupidity without anything to discourage it.
Its funny I always manage to park without getting clamped, but then im probably not nearly as self important as most people on here seem to be.
Edited by KM666 on Monday 1st October 14:46
I'm with Johnson Fellows on this. It's a bad day for occupiers.
Say you have a trading unit on an industrial estate where parking is at a premium, with a small showroom, and customer parking on the front. You are now f
ked.
Can't clamp em, can't out a barrier on, can't put posts up - how are your customers going to get on to the spaces.
This was the wrong solution. Should have been imposing a maximum fine, and an independent body for appeals when signs are poor.
Say you have a trading unit on an industrial estate where parking is at a premium, with a small showroom, and customer parking on the front. You are now f
ked.Can't clamp em, can't out a barrier on, can't put posts up - how are your customers going to get on to the spaces.
This was the wrong solution. Should have been imposing a maximum fine, and an independent body for appeals when signs are poor.
[quote=Angela Sheen, associate partner at chartered surveyors Johnson Fellows]There is a genuine worry that the new clamping ban will encourage members of the public to park where they like, which could lead to service areas and access roads being blocked.
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That could have happened previously though, and clamping removes the ability for the driver to move the car.
However, in this country we lack common sense. When I was in Krakow it seemed like there was parking mayhem however no roads were blocked and common sense did prevail. The UK attitude seems to be, "well it didn't say not to park directly in front of the fire station preventing fire engines from leaving so it must mean it's allowed"
Our attitude sucks.
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That could have happened previously though, and clamping removes the ability for the driver to move the car.
However, in this country we lack common sense. When I was in Krakow it seemed like there was parking mayhem however no roads were blocked and common sense did prevail. The UK attitude seems to be, "well it didn't say not to park directly in front of the fire station preventing fire engines from leaving so it must mean it's allowed"
Our attitude sucks.
Escort Si-130 said:
At fkin last. Angela Sheen and any other cowboy clampings s, go fk yourselfs. It is ridiculous anyone should be clamping people on private land. It really takes the piss.
10 out of 10 on this story PH
Absolutely crazy that there is or rather was some come back for parking on someone else's land. kin last. Angela Sheen and any other cowboy clampings s, go fk yourselfs. It is ridiculous anyone should be clamping people on private land. It really takes the piss.10 out of 10 on this story PH
What is this world coming to!
miniman said:
blueST said:
The linked BBC articles says...
"But landowners are boosted by stronger laws on ticketing, which mean unpaid charges can be claimed from the keeper of the vehicle, as well as the driver."
Does that not mean they don't have to prove you were the offender?
My bold. Unpaid charges, not penalties. "But landowners are boosted by stronger laws on ticketing, which mean unpaid charges can be claimed from the keeper of the vehicle, as well as the driver."
Does that not mean they don't have to prove you were the offender?
Ibbotson vs VCS has raised points about 'admin' costs in dealing with these matters
.The appeals service 'POPLA' for BPA members will cost them £27 by the way. Or it could be £32; both costs are stated on pepipoo. And the findings are binding on the PPC not the alleged offender or registered keeper who can still proceed to court to defend or sue as appropriate/required. This makes the process much less profitable. Didn't read this in the 'article'
...But the charade will continue for a while yet - 65% of alleged offenders still paid at an early opportunity recently! If the 'penalties' aren't seen as punitive, this will no doubt continue until the dust settles
.The £150 a now-former clamper talks of (in an earlier post) is punitive and a court would not uphold it. A majority of his punters will still pay to avoid higher charges later no doubt, and that will continue until he takes someone to court
.Then there is HMRC Upper Tax tribunal vs VCS, which scuppers him anyway (he has not got sufficient interest in the land where he is 'enforcing'...
Cosmic shambles, really, with the law of unintended consequences poking its ugly mug in as well
. UKplc2012 
.surveyor said:
I'm with Johnson Fellows on this. It's a bad day for occupiers.
Say you have a trading unit on an industrial estate where parking is at a premium, with a small showroom, and customer parking on the front. You are now fked.
Can't clamp em, can't out a barrier on, can't put posts up - how are your customers going to get on to the spaces.
This was the wrong solution. Should have been imposing a maximum fine, and an independent body for appeals when signs are poor.
How many years ago did they ban clampers in Scotland??? Guess what, parking armageddon never happened.Say you have a trading unit on an industrial estate where parking is at a premium, with a small showroom, and customer parking on the front. You are now f
ked.Can't clamp em, can't out a barrier on, can't put posts up - how are your customers going to get on to the spaces.
This was the wrong solution. Should have been imposing a maximum fine, and an independent body for appeals when signs are poor.
KM666 said:
Why is clamping so hated but were all perfectly happy to buy rip off motor insurance from scumbags? At least clampers have to run the risk of coming face to face with the person they're trying to screw.
I think clampers have more of a right to do what they do than manditory highwaymen pretending to be insurers.
Why do people seem to think stopping for a few minutes parked illegally is fine and that they are victim of these creul sadistic clampers? Does this apply for other offenses too? Oh its okay I was only doing 120mph for a few minutes because I was running late due to the fact im a retard who is incapable of forward planning. This simply promotes stupidity without anything to discourage it.
Its funny I always manage to park without getting clamped, but then im probably not nearly as self important as most people on here seem to be.
What a load of toshI think clampers have more of a right to do what they do than manditory highwaymen pretending to be insurers.
Why do people seem to think stopping for a few minutes parked illegally is fine and that they are victim of these creul sadistic clampers? Does this apply for other offenses too? Oh its okay I was only doing 120mph for a few minutes because I was running late due to the fact im a retard who is incapable of forward planning. This simply promotes stupidity without anything to discourage it.
Its funny I always manage to park without getting clamped, but then im probably not nearly as self important as most people on here seem to be.
Edited by KM666 on Monday 1st October 14:46
I've been clamped in London twice. Just like a previous poster, I paid and displayed, returned a few hours later to find a fine issued and then 20 mins later a clamp too. There was one residents only bay in a street of at east 30 bays. On both occasions the 'sign' if you can call it that was well hidden and the bays were not correctly marked. On one occasion I nearly got the clamp off. I managed to get the wheel off but they had put the chain through the wishbone, something I've since been told they're not supposed to do. Whilst doing this, residents and black cab drivers were stopping by to offer help/encouragement and many said it was a regular occurrence - clamping cars that thought they were legal.
On another occasion I received a PCN at Mc D's at Gatwick. I was there but only a few mins. Lucky for me my car has a company tracker which put my firmly on the A23 at Brighton when the alleged offence took place. WIN
surveyor said:
Absolutely crazy that there is or rather was some come back for parking on someone else's land.
What is this world coming to!
I agree, this was the wrong solution...What is this world coming to!
We manage a large portfolio of commercial property which is nigh on impossible to operate effectively without having clear service yard and access points.
The legislation should have dictated the need for a proper licence to operate and proof of an actually obstruction!
LewisR said:
My friend had THE best solution to clamping. It was a 2.8GL MK2 Granada. If he got clamped, he just drove off anyhow. Of course, it had us in tears of laughter.
The best and most stylish solution to clamping:
When parked, its suspension depressurises, sinking the body down onto the wheels, making it impossible for the clampers to get the clamp on.
Speaking of which, there was the story of the guy from the US who's Audi was clamped in his drive of some estate after his permit slipped off. He needed to rebuild the motor, so found it was not illegal to move the vehicle, only to cause damage to the clamp. So he jacked and moved the vehicle into the garage, and then had a lovely fight with the management while the sherif was on his side. Does anyone remember this story, and have a link to the eventual outcome?
I got clamped for parking in a space behind work once, outside an empty unit that was always empty.
£250 they wanted, got a stihl saw out and cut the thing off. Was funny when I rang him to come and remove it, then rang him back the next day he was fuming. Eventually the police showed up at my house, I gave them the clamp (minus a padlock, saying there wasn't one on wink wink) and the officer who came congratulated me
£250 they wanted, got a stihl saw out and cut the thing off. Was funny when I rang him to come and remove it, then rang him back the next day he was fuming. Eventually the police showed up at my house, I gave them the clamp (minus a padlock, saying there wasn't one on wink wink) and the officer who came congratulated me
I once got clamped at a girlfriend's house for obstructing a garage. Hers. I calculated the cost of officially removing the clamp, compared it to that of walking 5 minutes to Wickes to buy some bolt cutters and thusly solved the problem unofficially. Left the clamp in her garage too, wonder if she still has it!
BoxsterEtype said:
Don't forget some local authorities now issue fines on CCTV evidence Chester will issue you a fine for stopping and letting the wife out at her shop door if there are double yellow lines on the street. Thats at half seven in the morning with no other traffic in the street. Beware!!!
There must be a little more to this story.You are allowed to stop on normal double yellows for loading and/or collecting/dropping passengers.
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