RE: Spotted: Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth

RE: Spotted: Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth

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DrTre

12,955 posts

231 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
Mid-life crisis purchases will always artificially increase desirability of crappy old cars from the 80's
There's nothing artificial about any of it, that just makes no sense. People pay whatever they pay for something, just because you don't agree with their reasons or motives doesn't make it artificial.

Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
He is talking about performance wise, not looks! The RS500 might be a 'classic' and a schoolboy's dream car but sadly, when compared to modern cars, it's actual on-road performance is not that impressive.
It's about so much more than numbers though, and you just don't seem to get that. It's the sort of thing that makes a real petrolhead dream of a Lancia Delta Integrale, despite knowing that a hot Mini Cooper would trouble it in standard tune. Same here, the Sierra Cosworth is awesome. The mk2 Focus RS is just a Focus with some questionable bodykit, a mildly interesting blown 5 and the Revoknuckle bit. It's nothing special; it's not a Cosworth.

juddzey455

101 posts

153 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Baryonyx said:
J4CKO said:
Based on what, I am kind of playing devils advocate here, the Focus RS would utterly destroy a Cosworth, RS500 or otherwise in every appreciable measure (standard cars), is it the fact it is new or the fact it is front wheel drive ?
No, the Focus can't beat the Sierra Cosworth on one key element: coolness. One is a tarted up FWD shopping hatch with a dismal McDonald's car park matte black paint job, the other is a Sierra Cosworth.
Having got both mk1 frs and RS500 I can tell you that the focus would rape the cosworth in braking and handling as you would expect, std for std, 0-60,0-100 and top speed would be very close, the focus would do well on the lower speeds but the cosworth would have the upper hand on the higher speeds.

The mk1 RS focus are rare on the roads but i don't get flashed, thumbs up, and people coming up to me in the petrol station asking about it or the famous "my mate had one of them" like i do in the 500! it turns heads wherever it does with out question.



s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
The RS500 might be a 'classic' and a schoolboy's dream car but sadly, when compared to modern cars, it's actual on-road performance is not that impressive.
None of the homologation specials that are similar and were out at that time, be it RS500, Merc 190E Evolution 2 or BMW Evolution Sport have performance that is "impressive" these days for petrol heads.

They only do 153-155ish flat out and reach 100 in about the same time or very slightly quicker than an E46 BMW 330 which you can buy for 2k..............

This really isn't the reason people will pay 40k/50k upwards for one in excellent condition.
Exactly....the reason is that these sort of cars (particularly the boy racer Ford RS) remind them of their youth. That doesn't make them actually worth these ridiculous asking prices.

Edited by 630bhp on Thursday 4th October 18:08
It makes them worth whatever people are prepared to pay for them - like any item.

I bet the guy who bought the £15 million 1962 GTO doesn't particularly care that a 5k E36 M3 could have him off the lights.

Most of these 80s homologation specials will be bought by people are older and who perhaps wanted one when they were young but couldn't afford them or whatever. I don't know many 20 year olds with an EVO Sport or RS500.



s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
The RS500 might be a 'classic' and a schoolboy's dream car but sadly, when compared to modern cars, it's actual on-road performance is not that impressive.
None of the homologation specials that are similar and were out at that time, be it RS500, Merc 190E Evolution 2 or BMW Evolution Sport have performance that is "impressive" these days for petrol heads.

They only do 153-155ish flat out and reach 100 in about the same time or very slightly quicker than an E46 BMW 330 which you can buy for 2k..............

This really isn't the reason people will pay 40k/50k upwards for one in excellent condition.
Exactly....the reason is that these sort of cars (particularly the boy racer Ford RS) remind them of their youth. That doesn't make them actually worth these ridiculous asking prices.

Edited by 630bhp on Thursday 4th October 18:08
It makes them worth whatever people are prepared to pay for them - like any item.

I bet the guy who bought the £15 million 1962 GTO doesn't particularly care that a 5k E36 M3 could have him off the lights.

Most of these 80s homologation specials will be bought by people are older and who perhaps wanted one when they were young but couldn't afford them or whatever. I don't know many 20 year olds with an EVO Sport or RS500.
As I said before: Mid-life crisis purchases will always artificially increase desirability of crappy old cars from the 80's biggrin
That's fair enough that you don't like old cars from the 80s. A lot of people do though wink

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
The RS500 might be a 'classic' and a schoolboy's dream car but sadly, when compared to modern cars, it's actual on-road performance is not that impressive.
None of the homologation specials that are similar and were out at that time, be it RS500, Merc 190E Evolution 2 or BMW Evolution Sport have performance that is "impressive" these days for petrol heads.

They only do 153-155ish flat out and reach 100 in about the same time or very slightly quicker than an E46 BMW 330 which you can buy for 2k..............

This really isn't the reason people will pay 40k/50k upwards for one in excellent condition.
Exactly....the reason is that these sort of cars (particularly the boy racer Ford RS) remind them of their youth. That doesn't make them actually worth these ridiculous asking prices.

Edited by 630bhp on Thursday 4th October 18:08
It makes them worth whatever people are prepared to pay for them - like any item.

I bet the guy who bought the £15 million 1962 GTO doesn't particularly care that a 5k E36 M3 could have him off the lights.

Most of these 80s homologation specials will be bought by people are older and who perhaps wanted one when they were young but couldn't afford them or whatever. I don't know many 20 year olds with an EVO Sport or RS500.
As I said before: Mid-life crisis purchases will always artificially increase desirability of crappy old cars from the 80's biggrin
That's fair enough that you don't like old cars from the 80s. A lot of people do though wink
I actually like many performance cars from the 80s and 90s.....but I don't want to pay stupid money for them just because some middle-aged boy racer needs to re live his youth!
Well luckily no-one will twist your arm. There's plenty of performance cars from the 80s and 90s that are available more cheaply

juddzey455

101 posts

153 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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The high priced rare fords do get people flustered for some reason?

Personally the price of a spit screen camper is crazy to me! each to there own and all that..

fatboy18

18,930 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
juddzey455 said:
The high priced rare fords do get people flustered for some reason?

Personally the price of a spit screen camper is crazy to me! each to there own and all that..
Yeah but you can cook a meal and have a sleep in a VW Splitty laugh
True but those cosworths have a hell of a big Tea tray on the back of em for sticky buns and mugs of tea at car meets biggrin

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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fatboy18 said:
630bhp said:
juddzey455 said:
The high priced rare fords do get people flustered for some reason?

Personally the price of a spit screen camper is crazy to me! each to there own and all that..
Yeah but you can cook a meal and have a sleep in a VW Splitty laugh
True but those cosworths have a hell of a big Tea tray on the back of em for sticky buns and mugs of tea at car meets biggrin
Plus bonnet vents to warm your tea cakes! smile

juddzey455

101 posts

153 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
Yeah but you can cook a meal and have a sleep in a VW Splitty laugh
on the side of the M25 :-)

loose cannon

6,028 posts

240 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Baryonyx said:
It's about so much more than numbers though, and you just don't seem to get that. It's the sort of thing that makes a real petrolhead dream of a Lancia Delta Integrale, despite knowing that a hot Mini Cooper would trouble it in standard tune. Same here, the Sierra Cosworth is awesome. The mk2 Focus RS is just a Focus with some questionable bodykit, a mildly interesting blown 5 and the Revoknuckle bit. It's nothing special; it's not a Cosworth.
Lol so a cossie isn't just an old sierra with an old pinto used for years and years with a 16v head plonked on it
And some tatty kit bolted on the outside,
I like cossies but you have just summed up the focus rs in exactly the same fashion as to what a sierra cosworth is,
They are both production cars a sierra cosworth is no more trick than a focus rs is it really ? The only difference is which wheels are driven, there both family cars with a bit of oomph

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
loose cannon said:
Lol so a cossie isn't just an old sierra with an old pinto used for years and years with a 16v head plonked on it
And some tatty kit bolted on the outside,
I like cossies but you have just summed up the focus rs in exactly the same fashion as to what a sierra cosworth is,
They are both production cars a sierra cosworth is no more trick than a focus rs is it really ? The only difference is which wheels are driven, there both family cars with a bit of oomph
Spot on.....finally someone with some sense on here!
All these type of cars are based on humdrum kit- majority of which are sub 1k cars now - see old E30s, Merc 190s, Sierras, Deltas, Audi Coupes etc

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
loose cannon said:
Lol so a cossie isn't just an old sierra with an old pinto used for years and years with a 16v head plonked on it
And some tatty kit bolted on the outside,
I like cossies but you have just summed up the focus rs in exactly the same fashion as to what a sierra cosworth is,
They are both production cars a sierra cosworth is no more trick than a focus rs is it really ? The only difference is which wheels are driven, there both family cars with a bit of oomph
Spot on.....finally someone with some sense on here!
All these type of cars are based on humdrum kit- majority of which are sub 1k cars now - see old E30s, Merc 190s, Sierras, Deltas, Audi Coupes etc
Yes but BMW E30s and Merc 190s were quality cars to start with....while the Ford Sierra was just crap.
Even more amazing how Ford transformed it into a BTCC winner with a body kit and 16valve head .......

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
loose cannon said:
Lol so a cossie isn't just an old sierra with an old pinto used for years and years with a 16v head plonked on it
And some tatty kit bolted on the outside,
I like cossies but you have just summed up the focus rs in exactly the same fashion as to what a sierra cosworth is,
They are both production cars a sierra cosworth is no more trick than a focus rs is it really ? The only difference is which wheels are driven, there both family cars with a bit of oomph
Spot on.....finally someone with some sense on here!
All these type of cars are based on humdrum kit- majority of which are sub 1k cars now - see old E30s, Merc 190s, Sierras, Deltas, Audi Coupes etc
Yes but BMW E30s and Merc 190s were quality cars to start with....while the Ford Sierra was just crap.
Even more amazing how Ford transformed it into a BTCC winner with a body kit and 16valve head .......
Amazing what spending stloads of money can do! rolleyes
Same as many factory teams and Motorsport departments rolleyes

Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
Amazing what spending stloads of money can do! rolleyes
Yes, namely making a better car than the competition! The Sierra Cosworth was just the best, that is all. I gather you are struggling to grasp that fact. hehe

loose cannon

6,028 posts

240 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Amazing how vauxhall managed it with a wobbly Astra gte cavalier gsi
Vectra and pre btcc with vivas and magnums,
Alfa with a 155
Chevrolet with the cruze
Seat with a diesel Leon,
Etc etc etc
Sierra cosworth great car by all means
But it is what it is ;0)

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
s m said:
630bhp said:
loose cannon said:
Lol so a cossie isn't just an old sierra with an old pinto used for years and years with a 16v head plonked on it
And some tatty kit bolted on the outside,
I like cossies but you have just summed up the focus rs in exactly the same fashion as to what a sierra cosworth is,
They are both production cars a sierra cosworth is no more trick than a focus rs is it really ? The only difference is which wheels are driven, there both family cars with a bit of oomph
Spot on.....finally someone with some sense on here!
All these type of cars are based on humdrum kit- majority of which are sub 1k cars now - see old E30s, Merc 190s, Sierras, Deltas, Audi Coupes etc
Yes but BMW E30s and Merc 190s were quality cars to start with....while the Ford Sierra was just crap.
Even more amazing how Ford transformed it into a BTCC winner with a body kit and 16valve head .......
Amazing what spending stloads of money can do! rolleyes
Same as many factory teams and Motorsport departments rolleyes
Agreed....but at the end of the day it is still just an old Ford Sierra hurl
True, same as an E30 M3 is just an old BM, an Integrale is just an old Delta etc etc.......

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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loose cannon said:
Amazing how vauxhall managed it with a wobbly Astra gte cavalier gsi
Vectra and pre btcc with vivas and magnums,
Alfa with a 155
Chevrolet with the cruze
Seat with a diesel Leon,
Etc etc etc
Sierra cosworth great car by all means
But it is what it is ;0)
Exactly, many of them are based on humdrum cars

loose cannon

6,028 posts

240 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Well done you have finally cracked it sm
;0)
The price on any of these types of car depend solely on nostalgia and how deep your pocket is, they all have appeal some more to others,
Would I pay £65k for a sierra no chance,
Ask me again when I have 40 million in the bank I'm sure I might possibly do something stupid and purchase 1,
;0)

Edited by loose cannon on Thursday 4th October 19:31

Roop

6,012 posts

283 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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loose cannon said:
Baryonyx said:
It's about so much more than numbers though, and you just don't seem to get that. It's the sort of thing that makes a real petrolhead dream of a Lancia Delta Integrale, despite knowing that a hot Mini Cooper would trouble it in standard tune. Same here, the Sierra Cosworth is awesome. The mk2 Focus RS is just a Focus with some questionable bodykit, a mildly interesting blown 5 and the Revoknuckle bit. It's nothing special; it's not a Cosworth.
Lol so a cossie isn't just an old sierra with an old pinto used for years and years with a 16v head plonked on it
And some tatty kit bolted on the outside,
I like cossies but you have just summed up the focus rs in exactly the same fashion as to what a sierra cosworth is,
They are both production cars a sierra cosworth is no more trick than a focus rs is it really ? The only difference is which wheels are driven, there both family cars with a bit of oomph
Definitely not trick at all. Very crude in fact, much more so than its rival the E30 M3 which was beautifully engineered.