RE: Chris Harris video: Porsche 918 Spyder
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UltimaCH said:
An engineers car.... Well done Porsche for not getting the bean counters to much involved. For me this is a pointer to the future
Good point. If may take the liberty to add that if a brand is a promise then I do think Porsche as a brand is the kind of promise engineers like above others. IMHO links directly to their success.BelfastBoy said:
Mastodon2 said:
Stunning. And the fact it can do 07:14 with it's huge weight just shows what an incredible job Porsche have done with it.
Nurburgring times are irrelevant - Nissan GTR has a lot less power, weighs something similar, yet laps the 'Ring maybe 10secs slower. You can get one used for probably less that the 918's special paint options!"The 2013 (model year) Nissan GT-R has been rumored to be significantly improved compared to the current model. The engine will deliver a total of 560 HP (up 30 HP over the 2012 GT-R) and the suspension will also be significantly improved. So far, those modifications were not made in vain. It is rumored that, at its first testings around the Nurburgring race track, the 2013 GT-R has scored an impressive 7min 16secs lap time"
GranCab said:
From TopSpeed.com
"The 2013 (model year) Nissan GT-R has been rumored to be significantly improved compared to the current model. The engine will deliver a total of 560 HP (up 30 HP over the 2012 GT-R) and the suspension will also be significantly improved. So far, those modifications were not made in vain. It is rumored that, at its first testings around the Nurburgring race track, the 2013 GT-R has scored an impressive 7min 16secs lap time"
Cheers for that. Nissan may well be testing the 'road car on road tyres' boundaries, but if they do, they're no worse at the black arts of 'Ring times than anyone else. If the GTR really can do a lap on under 7m 20 then it makes all supercars and hypercars look overpriced!"The 2013 (model year) Nissan GT-R has been rumored to be significantly improved compared to the current model. The engine will deliver a total of 560 HP (up 30 HP over the 2012 GT-R) and the suspension will also be significantly improved. So far, those modifications were not made in vain. It is rumored that, at its first testings around the Nurburgring race track, the 2013 GT-R has scored an impressive 7min 16secs lap time"
I am in two minds about this car. I love the fact that on looks alone, this is the most exciting car Porsche have designed since the Carrera GT and proves that Porsche can design something which isn't just another shorter\fatter\taller\longer 911. I also love the fact that the engineers seem to have put some real though into how to make a viable hybrid supercar.
However the one thing I don't agree on is the use of batteries, current battery tech is in a word...crap. They are heavy, don't store\produce enough energy for the weight penalty and for all those promoting electric cars as the green future, what do you thinks happens to all those dead batteries in 10 years time?
Yes you could argue that Porsche merely worked with and made the best of what is currently available but current battery tech isn't a good enough solution so they have in effect wasted a lot of time and effort on what is effectively a dead end and like Sony's Betamax will be obsolete withing the next 10 years.
Hybrid's are inevitable but they would have been better off skipping this generation of hybrid tech and waiting for something better to come along, sometimes being the first to market isn't always the best idea.
However the one thing I don't agree on is the use of batteries, current battery tech is in a word...crap. They are heavy, don't store\produce enough energy for the weight penalty and for all those promoting electric cars as the green future, what do you thinks happens to all those dead batteries in 10 years time?
Yes you could argue that Porsche merely worked with and made the best of what is currently available but current battery tech isn't a good enough solution so they have in effect wasted a lot of time and effort on what is effectively a dead end and like Sony's Betamax will be obsolete withing the next 10 years.
Hybrid's are inevitable but they would have been better off skipping this generation of hybrid tech and waiting for something better to come along, sometimes being the first to market isn't always the best idea.
Guvernator said:
I am in two minds about this car. I love the fact that on looks alone, this is the most exciting car Porsche have designed since the Carrera GT and proves that Porsche can design something which isn't just another shorter\fatter\taller\longer 911. I also love the fact that the engineers seem to have put some real though into how to make a viable hybrid supercar.
However the one thing I don't agree on is the use of batteries, current battery tech is in a word...crap. They are heavy, don't store\produce enough energy for the weight penalty and for all those promoting electric cars as the green future, what do you thinks happens to all those dead batteries in 10 years time?
Yes you could argue that Porsche merely worked with and made the best of what is currently available but current battery tech isn't a good enough solution so they have in effect wasted a lot of time and effort on what is effectively a dead end and like Sony's Betamax will be obsolete withing the next 10 years.
Hybrid's are inevitable but they would have been better off skipping this generation of hybrid tech and waiting for something better to come along, sometimes being the first to market isn't always the best idea.
+ 1However the one thing I don't agree on is the use of batteries, current battery tech is in a word...crap. They are heavy, don't store\produce enough energy for the weight penalty and for all those promoting electric cars as the green future, what do you thinks happens to all those dead batteries in 10 years time?
Yes you could argue that Porsche merely worked with and made the best of what is currently available but current battery tech isn't a good enough solution so they have in effect wasted a lot of time and effort on what is effectively a dead end and like Sony's Betamax will be obsolete withing the next 10 years.
Hybrid's are inevitable but they would have been better off skipping this generation of hybrid tech and waiting for something better to come along, sometimes being the first to market isn't always the best idea.
Being purely commercial about the car for a moment, the price tag is more than double that of the CGT's, albeit in line with other hypercars (even perhaps at the lower end). My worry would be that the car will suffer significantly more deprecation than the CGT (values of which are near to / slightly below original list) if only because of what you say - the technology will date very quickly.
Another VFM data point. The new Ferrari F12 Berlinetta is clearly more of a GT car than hypercar, but it costs 1/3rd of the 918, and has a V12 with 700+ bhp. It looks like a bargain in comparison (and that's the first time I've ever thought that about a Ferrari!).
Cheers
Dave Hedgehog said:
except it doesn't stay static, it moves around, if you put a billion tonnes of extra C02 into the air you put a billion tonnes into the air, it does not matter where it comes from
They're constantly improving ways of processing waste gasses for precisely that reason. Think 10-20 years ahead here. Hellbound said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
except it doesn't stay static, it moves around, if you put a billion tonnes of extra C02 into the air you put a billion tonnes into the air, it does not matter where it comes from
They're constantly improving ways of processing waste gasses for precisely that reason. Think 10-20 years ahead here. V8s all round
http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_ca...
If I buy this car do I automatically get a 918 Spyder when it comes out? Or, am I misunderstanding something?
If I buy this car do I automatically get a 918 Spyder when it comes out? Or, am I misunderstanding something?
sraworld said:
http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_ca...
If I buy this car do I automatically get a 918 Spyder when it comes out? Or, am I misunderstanding something?
If you buy a 918 spyder, you will receive an "invitation" from Porsche to be able to buy the special edition 911 turbo (at additional cost ontop of the 918 Spyder) presumably, to keep customers sweet while they wait for the 918.If I buy this car do I automatically get a 918 Spyder when it comes out? Or, am I misunderstanding something?
What you see there is a 918 owner who has offloaded the 911 turbo onto an OPC.
RichardR said:
Doshy said:
No belts, wierd.
That left me wonderwing how they charge the batteries from the engine! 
No belts are required because the PAS and A/C are run from the high voltage battery, which is charged by the engine via rear Emachine, or from the front Emachine when using re-gen braking as the energy source.
There will be a small (ish, probs ~1.5kW) DC-DC dropping the high voltage of the main (6.8kWh) energy storage battery (probably ~475 - 600Vdc) down to 12Vdc (nominal) for things like cabin systems / lighting / ICE / HVAC etc. A very small LIPO chemistry low voltage storage system can be used easily here, because the rear Emachine is also used to start the engine, and so the low voltage energy storage does not have to be high current capable. The issue of cold start (V poor battery performance below approx 5degC) is circumvented by using power from the high voltage energy storage system to keep itself warm, even when the car is "off". Generally, and like cars such as the GM Volt/Ampera, the manufacturer will recommend the car is left "plugged in" at all times when parked, and may well mandate this at extreme temps (<5degC or >30degC).
Munich said:
The poseurs aren't going to like it. Driving a long a High Street completely silently on electric power isn't going to turn many heads... 
Looks like race mode will be the default choice.
I know you're being facetious, but I'd say the total reverse. Most members of the general public will be astonished at a car like that gliding by silently. Poseurs dream. Looks like race mode will be the default choice.Hellbound said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
except it doesn't stay static, it moves around, if you put a billion tonnes of extra C02 into the air you put a billion tonnes into the air, it does not matter where it comes from
They're constantly improving ways of processing waste gasses for precisely that reason. Think 10-20 years ahead here. DrTre said:
Munich said:
The poseurs aren't going to like it. Driving a long a High Street completely silently on electric power isn't going to turn many heads... Looks like race mode will be the default choice.
I know you're being facetious, but I'd say the total reverse. Most members of the general public will be astonished at a car like that gliding by silently. Poseurs dream. Looks like race mode will be the default choice.It's bloody annoying in my 911 turbo as it's so quiet! I envy AMG's exhaust note!
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