RE: Caterham confirms supercharged R600
Discussion
blindswelledrat said:
I must be in the minority here.
Whilst I love it, 45k for a modestly powered engine welded into some steel bars seems extortionate.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a woman saying "How much??????", merely looking at this objectively.
Seriously, why does this cost more than something like a Focus St? What is your money being spent on?
I dont understand it at all.
It costs them a lot of money to develop these engines, it might sound modestly powered, but development costs to make these reliable are massive. Couple that with the cost of making a quality product at the end of the day, not just bodge-welding a chassis together that'll hold it all, factor in a bit of profit to keep the company solvent, and it'll all add up.Whilst I love it, 45k for a modestly powered engine welded into some steel bars seems extortionate.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a woman saying "How much??????", merely looking at this objectively.
Seriously, why does this cost more than something like a Focus St? What is your money being spent on?
I dont understand it at all.
Furyblade_Lee said:
I honestly feel though unless they put a few driving / traction aids it will be too much for the road and they will have to be careful if they sanction an official roadgoing version. Someone will put one through IVA independently though I am sure. Some friends have kitcars / 7's with 3-400bhp and you would not want joe public riding round in those. You need to be a) a mentalist and b) have a fair degree of driving talent and restraint, or c), they will have a huge accident.
<mouth hanging open in shock smilie>What?
I bet your some nutless looser who works in health and safety, has to do a risk accessment before using a toilet and buys bread thats pre-sliced and the crust is removed aren't you?
Joe Public does not buy Caterhams, you need to be informed and finaced to even consider one.
There needs to be risk in life, there needs to be 300bhp lightweight cars, there needs to be sharp points on scissors and some source of adrenalin- modern man is reduced to such a dribbling wreck by the nanny state as it is and you want driver aids on a powerful lightweight specialist car???
Christ- grow a real pair or hand your girlie ones in on the way out sunshine- this is a motoring forum FFS.
Good stuff Caterham, this looks awesome- PLEASE do not ever listen to boneheads like the above. The best traction control for a caterham is a rightfoot with a brain behind it.
Just IMVHO of course :-)
HustleRussell said:
blindswelledrat said:
I must be in the minority here.
Whilst I love it, 45k for a modestly powered engine welded into some steel bars seems extortionate.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a woman saying "How much??????", merely looking at this objectively.
Seriously, why does this cost more than something like a Focus St? What is your money being spent on?
I dont understand it at all.
Whilst I love it, 45k for a modestly powered engine welded into some steel bars seems extortionate.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a woman saying "How much??????", merely looking at this objectively.
Seriously, why does this cost more than something like a Focus St? What is your money being spent on?
I dont understand it at all.
dunno where to start with this one!
scubadude said:
Furyblade_Lee said:
I honestly feel though unless they put a few driving / traction aids it will be too much for the road and they will have to be careful if they sanction an official roadgoing version. Someone will put one through IVA independently though I am sure. Some friends have kitcars / 7's with 3-400bhp and you would not want joe public riding round in those. You need to be a) a mentalist and b) have a fair degree of driving talent and restraint, or c), they will have a huge accident.
<mouth hanging open in shock smilie>What?
I bet your some nutless looser who works in health and safety, has to do a risk accessment before using a toilet and buys bread thats pre-sliced and the crust is removed aren't you?
Joe Public does not buy Caterhams, you need to be informed and finaced to even consider one.
There needs to be risk in life, there needs to be 300bhp lightweight cars, there needs to be sharp points on scissors and some source of adrenalin- modern man is reduced to such a dribbling wreck by the nanny state as it is and you want driver aids on a powerful lightweight specialist car???
Christ- grow a real pair or hand your girlie ones in on the way out sunshine- this is a motoring forum FFS.
Good stuff Caterham, this looks awesome- PLEASE do not ever listen to boneheads like the above. The best traction control for a caterham is a rightfoot with a brain behind it.
Just IMVHO of course :-)
blindswelledrat said:
I cannot work out why this car costs £45k. If it is as simple as you both think, explain it.
It fits in there in Caterham's product range. If you look at what stuff you get for your £45k, then it looks expensive. If you look at what other new cars at £45k offer similar performance, it makes more sense and in fact looks like very good performance for money.They are a business rather than a charity of course.
thinfourth2 said:
You can always tell those that have never owned a caterham
They want the wet weather gear
Caterham owners normally realise a hat is far more sensible, lighter, cheaper and crucially dryer
Whilst Ive never owned a caterham Ive had a couple of sevens (currently no windscreen never mind doors).They want the wet weather gear
Caterham owners normally realise a hat is far more sensible, lighter, cheaper and crucially dryer
The general method of avoiding getting wet when the rain comes has always been, accelerate.
It goes over the top then. Mostly.
ewenm said:
It fits in there in Caterham's product range. If you look at what stuff you get for your £45k, then it looks expensive. If you look at what other new cars at £45k offer similar performance, it makes more sense and in fact looks like very good performance for money.
They are a business rather than a charity of course.
I get that, but my view of it is that its performance is so good because it's so light, and it is so light because it so basic. No frills, no extras, no anything.They are a business rather than a charity of course.
Looking it another way, what cars can you get with 275 bhp which might not offer the performance, but have the expense of all the natural mod-cons of a normal car i.e. would logically be more expensive to produce. An example would be a 300 bhp Evo X for aprroximately a third less. That would logically be more explensive to produce because it has so much more substance to it, yet costs a third less. That's my point
Blindswelledrat- look up 'economies of scale', and for further reading, research the cost of land, labour, overheads etc in the UK and compare & contrast with those of 'Asia, Africa, South America, New Zealand and Thailand' (assembly facilities for Mk3 Focus according to Wikipedia). Then consider the number of Caterhams produced vs the number of Ford Foci.
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