RE: GT86 'just the start' for Toyota

RE: GT86 'just the start' for Toyota

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PHMatt

608 posts

147 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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In the 1990's you used to be able to buy the 220bhp MR2 Turbo (I had one, amazingly fast with a little bit of fiddling), the 245bhp Celica GT4 and the quite insane 330bhp (they lied about 278bhp) Supra TT.

A couple of years ago Toyota achieved what scientists the world over have tried and failed - complete utter invisability. What did they do exactly? Was it washing machines or tumble driers?

Great to see the GT86. Now all they need to do is give it some growth hormones and steriods then poke it with a sitck.

I also wanna see a 21st century version of this.
http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/31795645+w750...


Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

264 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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MycroftWard said:
StottyZr said:
An Elise competator would be nice. Sub 1000kg, 140-250hp variants and ~22-30k price tag with 5years warranty lick
That would be great for sure, it would put Lotus out of business though wouldn't it?
There was a 140bhp mk3 MR2 on sale at the same time as the Elise, but the Toyota was significantly cheaper. Which of those cars is still for sale?

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
There was a 140bhp mk3 MR2 on sale at the same time as the Elise, but the Toyota was significantly cheaper. Which of those cars is still for sale?
Which company is still going strong? wink

vanschpunk

143 posts

211 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Im not a jap car follower what so ever, but regarding car design on the whole by todays standards (sorry tastes) and just generally overall, the GT86/BRZ is probably the nicest all round - price, looks, spec, space, etc, - car on the market today. Look 10 million times better than a 370z and frankly an exciting car in general!!

And fair play to annoucing that there will be newer/better/special models to come!!

Nice one!

LordGrover

33,532 posts

211 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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pjac67 said:
Come on LG where are you?
Keep up at the back....
wavey

I can't be arsed to 'defend' the 86 anymore.
I'm happy with it out of the box. For what I want right now it's pretty much perfect.
Can't say the same of the Toyota dealerships though. On my third now. irked

PS. Here's mine on one of my running-in runs.


Daveyraveygravey

2,018 posts

183 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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GranCab said:
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You clowns! The design brief for the Multipla was more than 5 seats, less than 4m; it wasn't meant to be a pretty sports car/coupe. It might look ugly, but there are very few if any cars that carry people and (some) stuff as well. You only had to sit in one to see the brilliance of the design; the fact it drove reasonably well was a bonus.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

264 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Captain Muppet said:
There was a 140bhp mk3 MR2 on sale at the same time as the Elise, but the Toyota was significantly cheaper. Which of those cars is still for sale?
Which company is still going strong? wink
Which company just recalled 7,400,000 cars? wink

I love MR2s (had 3) and Elises (have 1, driven several) and I think there is plenty of room in the market for both.

Dr G

15,159 posts

241 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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LordGrover said:
I can't be arsed to 'defend' the 86 anymore.
You like it, you bought it - sod everyone else. I think they're cool and look great biggrin

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Put a two door coupe bodyshell on the Auris front wheel drive hatchback, offer it with a choice of 180bhp diesel and 200bhp turbocharged petrol, make the interior black, conservatively styled and bland but spend some of the money saved on the drivetrain on more expensive feeling materials.

Job jobbed, modern petrolhead nirvana, though it will still of course have the wrong badge and nationality.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

264 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Daveyraveygravey said:
GranCab said:
+1
You clowns! The design brief for the Multipla was more than 5 seats, less than 4m; it wasn't meant to be a pretty sports car/coupe. It might look ugly, but there are very few if any cars that carry people and (some) stuff as well. You only had to sit in one to see the brilliance of the design; the fact it drove reasonably well was a bonus.
If only there was an ugly Italian 2 seater...



There are enough pretty Japanese cars that I don't think they need help from anyone.

I love the SZ, but I don't think it's pretty.

PAULBECKHAM11

19 posts

177 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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LordGrover said:
wavey

I can't be arsed to 'defend' the 86 anymore.
I'm happy with it out of the box. For what I want right now it's pretty much perfect.
Can't say the same of the Toyota dealerships though. On my third now. irked

PS. Here's mine on one of my running-in runs.

Stunning picture and great car, might be a little biased as I work for Toyota and drive the exact same car, just wish I had that road round my way!!!! And with the rain we have been having I have to say the TC doesnt keep everything in check, you have to be quick to catch it sometimes even with everything turned on!!! :-) ENJOY - I do

GranCab

2,902 posts

145 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Daveyraveygravey said:
You clowns! The design brief for the Multipla was more than 5 seats, less than 4m; it wasn't meant to be a pretty sports car/coupe. It might look ugly, but there are very few if any cars that carry people and (some) stuff as well. You only had to sit in one to see the brilliance of the design; the fact it drove reasonably well was a bonus.
... so why did FIAT give the Multipla a much more conventional makeover in 2004 ?


M@1975

591 posts

226 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Toyota killed their own market with the last incarnation of the MR2, they focussed on wind in your hair and looks of the car and not the drive, they are frankly awful compared to the old one. They last celica was OK but not massively interesting and there was no GT4 version, racing pedigree or real reason to buy one over the rivals and with no Supra as a halo car they just seemed to lose interest.
If they brought back those 3 cars along with the GT86 then they woudl go back to the era of affordable cars that made driving fun. There is a damn good reason why people still keep 90s jap metal on the road. Bang for buck there was and is very little that comes close.

robmlufc

5,227 posts

185 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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M@1975 said:
Toyota killed their own market with the last incarnation of the MR2, they focussed on wind in your hair and looks of the car and not the drive, they are frankly awful compared to the old one. They last celica was OK but not massively interesting and there was no GT4 version, racing pedigree or real reason to buy one over the rivals and with no Supra as a halo car they just seemed to lose interest.
If they brought back those 3 cars along with the GT86 then they woudl go back to the era of affordable cars that made driving fun. There is a damn good reason why people still keep 90s jap metal on the road. Bang for buck there was and is very little that comes close.
This and this.

kit80

4,764 posts

186 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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M@1975 said:
Toyota killed their own market with the last incarnation of the MR2, they focussed on wind in your hair and looks of the car and not the drive, they are frankly awful compared to the old one. They last celica was OK but not massively interesting and there was no GT4 version, racing pedigree or real reason to buy one over the rivals and with no Supra as a halo car they just seemed to lose interest.
If they brought back those 3 cars along with the GT86 then they woudl go back to the era of affordable cars that made driving fun. There is a damn good reason why people still keep 90s jap metal on the road. Bang for buck there was and is very little that comes close.
yes

New Supra would be the thing of my wet dreams cloud9

Let just hope they don't all get recalled if they do make them.

R I C H

62 posts

144 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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I took a test drive for a couple of hours this week in a GT86 (Scion FR-S in Canada) and it left me a little non-plussed. The handling can get entertaining, but the ride quality on our not so smooth roads here was very poor. Interior trim quality is particularly disappointing and I found the seats tight on space and comfort. Anyone 6ft plus is going to find it a squeeze. It costs $29,500+ taxes, which is what I purchased my mk6 Golf GTI for 18 months ago - at that price it just doesn't stack up. Wanted to like it, but the execution doesn't match the sticker price.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

264 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Seems harsh to slag it off for interior quality and price. Surely you could adjust one until the other becomes acceptable.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

257 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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kit80 said:
M@1975 said:
Toyota killed their own market with the last incarnation of the MR2, they focussed on wind in your hair and looks of the car and not the drive, they are frankly awful compared to the old one. They last celica was OK but not massively interesting and there was no GT4 version, racing pedigree or real reason to buy one over the rivals and with no Supra as a halo car they just seemed to lose interest.
If they brought back those 3 cars along with the GT86 then they woudl go back to the era of affordable cars that made driving fun. There is a damn good reason why people still keep 90s jap metal on the road. Bang for buck there was and is very little that comes close.
yes

New Supra would be the thing of my wet dreams cloud9

Let just hope they don't all get recalled if they do make them.
It seems so tantalisingly within reach too. The GT86 seems like a new Celica in all but name, a 6-cylinder engine would make it a Supra, they could turbocharge the whole lot and I still reckon there's scope for a Lotus-Toyota tie-up that would lead to a new MR2.

Gorbyrev

1,160 posts

153 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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GranCab said:
Daveyraveygravey said:
You clowns! The design brief for the Multipla was more than 5 seats, less than 4m; it wasn't meant to be a pretty sports car/coupe. It might look ugly, but there are very few if any cars that carry people and (some) stuff as well. You only had to sit in one to see the brilliance of the design; the fact it drove reasonably well was a bonus.
... so why did FIAT give the Multipla a much more conventional makeover in 2004 ?

A case of corporate dumbing down. The similarly revised Punto was also worse looking than its predecessor. And the Alfa SZ looks amazing too, shame on the doubters (way better looking than the Hyena which fetches £100K these days. Buy and stash an SZ). Hang on a minute isn't this a thread about the resurgent Toyota sports car line up? Bring it on Toyota San, lets see all that LFA loveliness in more affordable packages! The days of white goods only are well and truly over. Finally congrats to Lord Grover for buying his GT86 in the lovliest colour!

kit80

4,764 posts

186 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Twincam16 said:
It seems so tantalisingly within reach too. The GT86 seems like a new Celica in all but name, a 6-cylinder engine would make it a Supra, they could turbocharge the whole lot and I still reckon there's scope for a Lotus-Toyota tie-up that would lead to a new MR2.
Why can't they just remake the MK1 exactly as it was, nothing needs changing including the pop up headlights. I love them so much but I can't deal with the constant fixing of 22 yr old car so make me a new one please Toyota.