Can my company make me use my personal car for work?
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BliarOut said:
the stigs dad said:
anonymous said:
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I concur. The op comes accross as a jobsworth and moaner. Where does it say in the OP's post that the company is forcing them to drive without insurance?
All the OP has to do is phone the insure, get business insurance added (probably £30 max) and then claim mileage allowance for using the car. Even if they only pay the standard 45p a mile, the OP will have claimed back that extra premium in 1 client visit.
Just read the entire thread. There are some moronic morons on this site!
OP:
Ask for the fuel money to cover the journey. Take your car, if your a proper PH'er it will be considerably more fun than using the diesel s
te you'd be given. Take the long twisty route home, via a cheeky Burger King.
Get home. Stroke beard. Shag wife. Go to bed with plan on how to become powerfully built director using said beard. Get better job. Relieve need to start st threads!
OP:
Ask for the fuel money to cover the journey. Take your car, if your a proper PH'er it will be considerably more fun than using the diesel s
te you'd be given. Take the long twisty route home, via a cheeky Burger King. Get home. Stroke beard. Shag wife. Go to bed with plan on how to become powerfully built director using said beard. Get better job. Relieve need to start s
t threads!oyster said:
God, is this site full of nappy-wearer who need their hand to be held by their employer all the time.
The mileage allowance is paid for fuel, wear/tear and other costs to use your private car for work INCLUDING getting insurance coverage for business use.
Seriously, this is elementary stuff - why are people struggling with this?
Because it seems not to have been agreed beforehand. Maybe you wouldn't mind if your employers used your house for hospitality when they felt it appropriate? The mileage allowance is paid for fuel, wear/tear and other costs to use your private car for work INCLUDING getting insurance coverage for business use.
Seriously, this is elementary stuff - why are people struggling with this?
I've used my car for work in the past but only where that was part and parcel of the agreement for the job and wouldn't stand for buckling to their demands to use my property for thier ends when it suited them.
oyster said:
BliarOut said:
the stigs dad said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
I concur. The op comes accross as a jobsworth and moaner. Where does it say in the OP's post that the company is forcing them to drive without insurance?
All the OP has to do is phone the insure, get business insurance added (probably £30 max) and then claim mileage allowance for using the car. Even if they only pay the standard 45p a mile, the OP will have claimed back that extra premium in 1 client visit.
What if the OP's car is off the road for any particular reason? A good business will manage the resources it has to ensure they are suitable. "Sorry, we can't send an engineer today because his wife has the car to pick up the kids" is no way to run a business.
oyster said:
Not again.
Where does it say in the OP's post that the company is forcing them to drive without insurance?
All the OP has to do is phone the insure, get business insurance added (probably £30 max) and then claim mileage allowance for using the car. Even if they only pay the standard 45p a mile, the OP will have claimed back that extra premium in 1 client visit.
What do you mean 'only'? Companies don't have to pay you 45p per mile, they can set it at whatever they like. If they pay 15p a mile, it barely covers the cost of fuel (my diesel is about 13p or 14p per mile at 50ish mpg).Where does it say in the OP's post that the company is forcing them to drive without insurance?
All the OP has to do is phone the insure, get business insurance added (probably £30 max) and then claim mileage allowance for using the car. Even if they only pay the standard 45p a mile, the OP will have claimed back that extra premium in 1 client visit.
xRIEx said:
What do you mean 'only'? Companies don't have to pay you 45p per mile, they can set it at whatever they like. If they pay 15p a mile, it barely covers the cost of fuel (my diesel is about 13p or 14p per mile at 50ish mpg).
But you can claim tax relief on the difference between what they pay you, and the 45p allowance.Bursar said:
xRIEx said:
What do you mean 'only'? Companies don't have to pay you 45p per mile, they can set it at whatever they like. If they pay 15p a mile, it barely covers the cost of fuel (my diesel is about 13p or 14p per mile at 50ish mpg).
But you can claim tax relief on the difference between what they pay you, and the 45p allowance.I have been doing this for over 10 years now, it is a pain, but currently worth app £900 PA on my current mileage.
Also, I "think" you can go back for mileage up to 3 years ago?
The OP works for a company that provides pool cars for him to do his job. They can't provide a pool car this week and have told the OP he has to use his own car to sort out their problem.
He does not want to do so - So why should he?
I think it is the company's problem, not the employee's
He does not want to do so - So why should he?
I think it is the company's problem, not the employee's
oyster said:
calibrax said:
I'd start looking for a new job NOW. It sounds like the management are not the sort of people anyone would want to work for.
No, it sounds like the OP is trouble. As a manager, I would look elsewhere for promotion candidates.Most people I know use their own cars for work and don't moan about it. It's what mileage allowance is for.
oyster said:
Nothing to do with it.
I expect people to put in a bit extra who work for me. Being a pain about small things like whether they use their own car or not means they are likely to be a bigger pain over more important issues.
It's not like we're tight - all air travel is club class, UK rail travel first class, hire cars can be used if they make sense. And the mileage allowance is generous. In that environment, if an employee tells me they don't want to use their own car for work occasionally then they are a pain.
Might I offer some business advice in this case? Take some management courses, learn to view your staff as an asset, not as a pain, and you may find that you'll end up reaping the rewards.I expect people to put in a bit extra who work for me. Being a pain about small things like whether they use their own car or not means they are likely to be a bigger pain over more important issues.
It's not like we're tight - all air travel is club class, UK rail travel first class, hire cars can be used if they make sense. And the mileage allowance is generous. In that environment, if an employee tells me they don't want to use their own car for work occasionally then they are a pain.
Obviously it's your prerogative, how you choose to manage, but despite what you may believe, it's rarely good business practice to view staff with a bit of backbone and independent spirit as "a pain".
Gotta watch with the blithe assumption that the extra for business coverage is peanuts, an old employer of mine once mandated business cover on all employees personal cars. For me, it was about £250 difference from the specialist broker as it was a fairly modified motor.
To be fair decent mileage was paid, and they would pay the uplift in our insurance. It was expensed with few complaints to me, but there was some inter-management grumbling about assumptions that not everyone had diesel Golfs!
To be fair decent mileage was paid, and they would pay the uplift in our insurance. It was expensed with few complaints to me, but there was some inter-management grumbling about assumptions that not everyone had diesel Golfs!
CraigyMc said:
NorthernBoy said:
it's rarely good business practice to view staff with a bit of backbone and independent spirit as "a pain".
Quite. Where I work, these people are often "your future boss".
Never, ever tread on someone without a bloody good reason.
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astirling said:
Being stubborn and difficult is not the same as having 'a bit of backbone and independent spirit'. The employer is not asking a lot of him.
That's entirely in the eye of the beholder.If I was running a shed, I'd probably just do it. If I was running a pride and joy type car, I probably wouldn't.
Bear in mind that this isn't just about doing it once. It could easily be setting a precedent.
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oyster said:
CraigyMc said:
EDLT said:
Nice to see the "You're lucky I gave you a job" management style is alive and well on PH.
I've never understood that. As far as I'm concerned, the company I work for is lucky to have me.Are people really afraid for their jobs?
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I expect people to put in a bit extra who work for me. Being a pain about small things like whether they use their own car or not means they are likely to be a bigger pain over more important issues.
It's not like we're tight - all air travel is club class, UK rail travel first class, hire cars can be used if they make sense. And the mileage allowance is generous. In that environment, if an employee tells me they don't want to use their own car for work occasionally then they are a pain.
New POD said:
The inland revenue limit is 45p so make such you make a claim to the HMRC for the tax back on the 5p, if you are happy with using your car.
Please explain this one to me? I do loads of miles for work and get 40p a mile. Can I back-date it on previous years??My expenses are paid directly into my bank account... they don't appear on my P11D (which I have queried before) if that makes any odds.
Cheers,
Sean
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