RE: 2013 Nissan GT-R: now even more so
Discussion
Timbola said:
I like the look of the scalpel, not the sledgehammer.
Which makes your comment pretty subjective don't you think?I'll whole-heartedly agree with you that it's not a "pretty" car, but it looks striking and certainly stands out from the crowd.
Although how on earth you've managed to convince yourself that it looks like a Primera is anyone's guess
Timbola said:
Heh, you call it utter nonsense, then your ensuing paragraph agrees with me entirely. 
You describe the GT-R as a 'brutal-sledgehammer' to the Italian 'scalpel'.
I like the look of the scalpel, not the sledgehammer.
There's a reason the Italians have a large slice of that market, it's because the Italians breathe a soul into their creations that no other nation can. It's an art; and as such, is more than mere engineering.
Besides, we are discussing aesthetics here, which are, as I always point out, utterly subjective.
The point is, the car doesn't have to look like an Italian. And you lost all credibility when you used the word "soul", did Jeremy tell you Italian cars have soul?You describe the GT-R as a 'brutal-sledgehammer' to the Italian 'scalpel'.
I like the look of the scalpel, not the sledgehammer.
There's a reason the Italians have a large slice of that market, it's because the Italians breathe a soul into their creations that no other nation can. It's an art; and as such, is more than mere engineering.
Besides, we are discussing aesthetics here, which are, as I always point out, utterly subjective.
Edited by Timbola on Friday 2nd November 10:04
BigMacDaddy said:
Which makes your comment pretty subjective don't you think?
Indeed. As per my last comment, we're just discussing aesthetics here, which are of course subjective.
BigMacDaddy said:
Although how on earth you've managed to convince yourself that it looks like a Primera is anyone's guess
Heh. Primera as an example of another dull Japanese saloon.Slightly hyperbolic in comparison perhaps.
stew-S160 said:
Staggering times. I know this has been said a million times before, but just imagine if it was about 100kg lighter...
For what gain? It is a spectacular performance beast, but in the real world what does 100/200/300kg do to the appeal of this car. How much faster do you need to go through your favourite part of Wales or Scotland to make you feel that there was a tangible reason for loading the rear seats/ compromising on spec?I don't disagree with people who say hot hatches with a third of the power would benefit with a session on the treadmill but when looking at cars with this much power surely it's all in the setup.
CooperS said:
For what gain? It is a spectacular performance beast, but in the real world what does 100/200/300kg do to the appeal of this car.
Surely this is the point though. The makers are constanly pushing the envelope. Every kilogram counts, every nano-second off 0-60 times and lap times count. This is not driving in the real world, it is seeing what is possible in a production car.
Edited by Timbola on Friday 2nd November 10:27
kambites said:
An incredibly impressive machine, but never one that I've had any desire to even try driving let alone own.
I'm glad that it exists and they're continuing to update it, though.
I was going to write something very similar.I'm glad that it exists and they're continuing to update it, though.
I respect it massively, although I don't love it nor do I desire to have one over its rivals.....odd. Not sure why, its not hatred for Jap cars that much I'm sure.
What a lot of you seem to miss, Is that part fo the gtr's greatness is its weight, That sounds crazy. But its actually part of the reason it can corner so fast while accelerating. Minzuno went into it before.
Obviously they could make it lighter, But they would have to change a few other things too to compensate
Obviously they could make it lighter, But they would have to change a few other things too to compensate
Papa Hotel said:
Utter nonsense. Look what happened the last time the Japanese built a supercar that looked like one. The NSX received universal praise yet no-one wanted one. The problem is that Italian supercars have the market to themselves and anything else hasn't got a look-in unless it has got a real USP, ie the Veyron with the top speed. Horatio Pagani even used Italy to built his empire because no-one wants a South American supercar! Nissan isn't exotic enough to compete with Ferrari and Lamborghini on their terms, it had to create its own market, hence the GT-R being a brutal sledgehammer rather than a scalpel.
I had an NSX and it was, in its day, utterly brilliant!Porsche and Audi seem to have done a reasonable job of producing sports cars that look like sports cars and managed to sell quite a few
eliotrw said:
What a lot of you seem to miss, Is that part fo the gtr's greatness is its weight, That sounds crazy. But its actually part of the reason it can corner so fast while accelerating. Minzuno went into it before.
High speed corner stability. Weight is required as they can't generate lots of downforce with a road car, even if they could the car would be twitchy. The car is designed with 1700kg in mind, and all the other components compliment this.
I've learnt that from watching a 2minute clip of him explaining why the cars heavy. But nope, according to PH its too heavy and Kazutoshi didn't think about dropping weight. What.A.Fool.
I always laugh at the comments GT-R’s bring on this forum, especially from mostly those who will never drive or own any car in this league. Get behind the wheel of one and you’re totally changed. It’s a fantastic car which you can use every day and park up in a busy town and no scrote will key it like they would a Ferrari etc…
Fair enough we all have an opinion but most people who knock this car drive normal cars. Jealousy maybe that it is such an affordable supercar,,,, I think so,,, keep dreaming and knocking it, the GT-R will only get better.
Fair enough we all have an opinion but most people who knock this car drive normal cars. Jealousy maybe that it is such an affordable supercar,,,, I think so,,, keep dreaming and knocking it, the GT-R will only get better.
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