RE: Driven (briefly): BMW M3 CRT

RE: Driven (briefly): BMW M3 CRT

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jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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sc4589 said:
Clearly not as they're all sold. They know their market, they're not stupid.

Sidenote- what does CRT stand for? Does it have a really old-skool sat-nav screen, as opposed to an LCD or LED..?
CRT - Claiming rule technology when talking about proper racing.

HighwayStar

4,216 posts

143 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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PiB said:
I'm not pleased with this vehicle as much as I would like. The CSL and GTS seem like better motor head cars. A test bed for all these new technologies and it's mileage is worse than a MP4-12c. The brakes and wheel hub look rather interesting
Hence the death of BMW's wonderful high revving V8 re mpg. Fuel consumption, running costs... The only thing that stopped me buying an E92 M3.

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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sc4589 said:
Clearly not as they're all sold. They know their market, they're not stupid.
where's the roof though, could they have sold 60+ cars at £200k ?

it'd be interesting to have a time machine and keep upping the price!

Mermaid

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21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Cheib said:
Makes you realise just how cheap the CSL was......even though it seemed totally the wrong price at the time.
Amazing bit of kit, and it was offered at a smidge under £60k. But they did make 1400 or so. If they had made 200, the price would have been £100k I suppose.

Dagnut

3,515 posts

192 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Mermaid said:
Amazing bit of kit, and it was offered at a smidge under £60k. But they did make 1400 or so. If they had made 200, the price would have been £100k I suppose.
But standard E46 M3 was what 40k? so it was still a 50% mark up..this gets significant brake upgrade and new engine

AliV6

682 posts

187 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Utterly pointless

Cheib

23,113 posts

174 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Mermaid said:
Cheib said:
Makes you realise just how cheap the CSL was......even though it seemed totally the wrong price at the time.
Amazing bit of kit, and it was offered at a smidge under £60k. But they did make 1400 or so. If they had made 200, the price would have been £100k I suppose.
Yeah I think it was originally supposed to be 1,000 but BMW couldn't help themselves....even then they were reputed to have lost money. The CSL has arguably a much more of a bespoke interior than the GTS and CRT, that would have cost a lot of money to do. They basically have fancy seats/leather and or a roll cage which is cheaper to do than all the carbon parts the CSL had.

A well bought CSL will be very cheap motoring in the long term I think.

ukaskew

10,642 posts

220 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Expensive car in 'costs too much' shocker (and compared to a Porsche, for good measure), despite them all being sold. Why these sorts of comments always appear in threads for cars like this is beyond me.

You might argue that they actually sold them too cheaply, if they were all snapped up quickly.

melvster

6,841 posts

184 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Nice piece of marketing from BMW, nearly as interesting as the Frozen Silver Edition rolleyes

Contigo

3,113 posts

208 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Great now we have the M3 Cathode Ray Tube!

soad

32,829 posts

175 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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sc4589 said:
Sidenote- what does CRT stand for?
Carbon Racing Technology?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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soad said:
sc4589 said:
Sidenote- what does CRT stand for?
Carbon Racing Technology?
Can't helping thinking of old fashioned computer monitor though.

sc4589

1,958 posts

164 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
soad said:
sc4589 said:
Sidenote- what does CRT stand for?
Carbon Racing Technology?
Can't helping thinking of old fashioned computer monitor though.
soad- thanks- I read the article not long after I posted. Moron that I am.

300bhp- yep, very poor choice of acronym- not up there with STI, but close enough. biggrin

161BMW

1,697 posts

164 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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chris333 said:
Clearly the prime reason for BMW building this car is to gain experience of the manufacturing, assembly (and probably repair!) techniques for the new technology in a low volume, low risk environment prior to their introduction in more mainstream cars in the near future.

The fact that the price is £50k more than a standard M3 is neither here nor there. The total additional revenue the 67 cars has brought in is only £3.5m , which is a drop in the ocean on BMW overall finances.

It would be interesting to hear the views of someone with experience of how manufacturers set the quantities and prices for these special editions. Is it related to recovering some or all of the development costs, or more related to what the market will stand?
Am also interested in this.
Looks a fantastic Q car :-)

BaronVonVaderham

2,316 posts

146 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Lovely. For me the 4 door looks better than the 2, just like with the C Class.

Anyone know why they CRT'd the saloon and not the coupe?

Guvernator

13,105 posts

164 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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BaronVonVaderham said:
Lovely. For me the 4 door looks better than the 2, just like with the C Class.

Anyone know why they CRT'd the saloon and not the coupe?
Probably the same reason why they made 67 of them, cos they had some spare 4 door shells lying around which they haven't been able to shift.

Looking at it in those terms, the CRT is no better than any other run-out special tongue out

Dagnut

3,515 posts

192 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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BaronVonVaderham said:
Lovely. For me the 4 door looks better than the 2, just like with the C Class.

Anyone know why they CRT'd the saloon and not the coupe?
probably to have a crack at the saloon ring record

HighwayStar

4,216 posts

143 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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BaronVonVaderham said:
Lovely. For me the 4 door looks better than the 2, just like with the C Class.

Anyone know why they CRT'd the saloon and not the coupe?
Probably because they can, not to do the obvious... BMW always seem to go their own way.

Dblue

3,252 posts

199 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Cheib said:
Mermaid said:
Cheib said:
Makes you realise just how cheap the CSL was......even though it seemed totally the wrong price at the time.
Amazing bit of kit, and it was offered at a smidge under £60k. But they did make 1400 or so. If they had made 200, the price would have been £100k I suppose.
Yeah I think it was originally supposed to be 1,000 but BMW couldn't help themselves....even then they were reputed to have lost money. The CSL has arguably a much more of a bespoke interior than the GTS and CRT, that would have cost a lot of money to do. They basically have fancy seats/leather and or a roll cage which is cheaper to do than all the carbon parts the CSL had.

A well bought CSL will be very cheap motoring in the long term I think.
The CRT and GTS have a much more special interior than the CSL. The CSL had bespoke seats and a lightweight bootfloor. The CRT has much more trick interior with 4 full carbon seats wrapped in leather for a start.
But its all irrelevant as the CRT all sold out instantly and none came here!

And , yes, you're quite right ,the CSL is a fantastic depreciation free bargain.

Cheib

23,113 posts

174 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2013
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Dblue said:
The CRT and GTS have a much more special interior than the CSL. The CSL had bespoke seats and a lightweight bootfloor. The CRT has much more trick interior with 4 full carbon seats wrapped in leather for a start.
The CSL had carbon door inserts and transmission tunnel "housing" etc which I don't think the CRT has. Apart from the seats and some nice trim the CSL looks more bespoke to me ?