RE: Fiesta ST prices & specs revealed
Discussion
dukebox9reg said:
Dr Interceptor said:
4bhp down on a MINI Cooper S, 0.1s quicker to 62 than a MINI Cooper S, and significantly cheaper than a MINI Cooper S.
It's also on par power wise with the Skoda Fabia vRS, and Polo GTi.
I'd day they've matched the power of their direct rivals.
There all models that have been out for a while. Models that are on the horizon have 200bhp. I'm not a horsepower freak, bhp figures aren't everything but I just feel like Ford could do more with it. Like I said, the focus seems to always lead not followIt's also on par power wise with the Skoda Fabia vRS, and Polo GTi.
I'd day they've matched the power of their direct rivals.
The headline figure on this Fiesta isn't the power, or the acceleration, but the price. It marks a return of the pocket rocket - it doesn't need to justify its brawn when it costs significantly less than its rivals.
Willy Nilly said:
dukebox9reg said:
Think I'll wait for the Clio. Why are they not matching the power from the rivals? Seems strange, the focus seems to lead the way on power levels and the fiesta never does. It's always lagging behind.
+1, I can think of few things in life worse than making do with a mere (is that the right mere, Singlecoil?) 180hp in a Fiesta. Pulling on a on up hill dual carriageway will be a nightmare with such a small amount of power, some drivers will probably have to shift down to 4th. I think it looks great and is totally on par with their rivals. It is pitched perfectly in terms of power and specification. These cars do not need growing BHP headline figures, lets hope that era has started to cool off slightly and that modern (small) hot hatches don't really need more than 200BHP and (mid size) certainly no more than 300BHP.
One thing though, Ford are going hard on the pricing....
One thing though, Ford are going hard on the pricing....
Instead of having separate models for the US, EU and Aus, the cars are now being designed to do all markets.Glosphil said:
Willy Nilly said:
dukebox9reg said:
Think I'll wait for the Clio. Why are they not matching the power from the rivals? Seems strange, the focus seems to lead the way on power levels and the fiesta never does. It's always lagging behind.
+1, I can think of few things in life worse than making do with a mere (is that the right mere, Singlecoil?) 180hp in a Fiesta. Pulling on a on up hill dual carriageway will be a nightmare with such a small amount of power, some drivers will probably have to shift down to 4th. How much power do you lot feel you need in a small hatchback ?
Only one person has actually mentioned how good the Fiesta is to drive, does anyone remember when we though 130 bhp was all the power in the world, now 180 isnt enough, 0-60 under seven seconds, judge it on its own merits, not that the Renault has another few bhp, suspect even if it had 300 bhp, 4wd and cost 14 grand someone would bemona the lack of a "premium" badge and something about dashboard plastics being "horrid", "Oh you poor love, how did you cope, did the slightly less quality plastics than the Audi blight your young life"
Only been in a bog spec diesel and apart from the defunct Nokia styling to the dash which was more of an observation than a problem, was very impressed.
Ford make some brilliant cars, and I am far from a Ford fanboy, they made some howlers in the 90's but turned it round very well.
Only one person has actually mentioned how good the Fiesta is to drive, does anyone remember when we though 130 bhp was all the power in the world, now 180 isnt enough, 0-60 under seven seconds, judge it on its own merits, not that the Renault has another few bhp, suspect even if it had 300 bhp, 4wd and cost 14 grand someone would bemona the lack of a "premium" badge and something about dashboard plastics being "horrid", "Oh you poor love, how did you cope, did the slightly less quality plastics than the Audi blight your young life"
Only been in a bog spec diesel and apart from the defunct Nokia styling to the dash which was more of an observation than a problem, was very impressed.
Ford make some brilliant cars, and I am far from a Ford fanboy, they made some howlers in the 90's but turned it round very well.
Chrisw666 said:
I love how so many people on here focus entirely on power figures as the important factor in car choices.
It must be sad living your life like a game of top trumps.
I think the trouble is that the words "hot hatch" mean something world's apart to us, mate.It must be sad living your life like a game of top trumps.
These top trumpers think a true hot hatch should rival supercars.
But we know a true hot hatch is of an entirely different breed & purpose.
Kong said:
The wheels are a bit boring but otherwise top of the class. Reasionable pricing (plus Ford don't mind haggling)some should see plenty on the roads.
I thought the same about the wheels. Might look better with the focus st wheels but they would probably look too big for it. That's if the focus wheels are the same stud pattern.J4CKO said:
How much power do you lot feel you need in a small hatchback ?
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The most powerful new fiesta I've driven is the 82hp zetec, which keeps up with motorway traffic and is an amusing thing to drive. I don't think you need much power if the car is suitably light and nimble, 120ish never feels slow in the comparable but much older Puma. People have lost perspective on power figures with number chasing over the last 10 years and the inevitable remaps that will be made available for this car. .
The last fiesta ST and focus ST170 were good cars, both not as popular as they should have been not because their competitors were hugely better but because their competitors were giving more bragging points and could go a bit faster in a straight line.
It has been in many a publication and websites/forums of how much power the chassis could possibly handle (much more than a lot of rivals) and it obvious straight away how many people are out there wanting more power by straight away mentioning remaps and mountune. Ford in fairness has probably done it on purpose to get a bit of money thrown there way for a bit of factory tuning, which then starts to eat away at their price advantage. How good is that basic spec of Fiesta ST against the Fabia for example because the basic Focus ST isn't exactly filled with toys.
BadBanshee said:
I think the trouble is that the words "hot hatch" mean something world's apart to us, mate.
These top trumpers think a true hot hatch should rival supercars.
But we know a true hot hatch is of an entirely different breed & purpose.
I suppose the days when 150hp was seen as a huge figure are a long way away. These top trumpers think a true hot hatch should rival supercars.
But we know a true hot hatch is of an entirely different breed & purpose.
I love that cars like the MK2 Focus RS exist but it has more in common with an M3 than a MK2 Golf Gti or 205 GTI.
Hot hatches are affordable cars, useable and exploitable on a regular basis by the common man. While the powerful cars hold the distinction of being useable daily I'm not sure 300bhp can be deployed in anger very often.
Price is another huge thing, the Fiesta ST will be accessible to most once discount and finance deals are in place. The Focus RS or Megane RS would need the kind of funds that would see most people buying a growb up looking 335, S4 or a proper sports car.
To put the price into context we'll probably be buying a Mito this year with a list price before options of 700 less than the ST a smaller engine with 45hp less and probable higher running costs.
Edited by Chrisw666 on Tuesday 22 January 15:09
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