RE: BMW and Toyota buddy up

[trashbat]

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[ScoobieWRX]

Jayinjapan said:

ScoobieWRX said:

So did Toyota fall out with Subaru? I thought there might be some more mileage in the relationship. I was looking forward to seeing Landcruiser type vehicle with Subaru engineering.

Subaru don't really have a proper off/on roader at a time when SUV's are all the rage. Maybe something lightweight and short wheel base with a 3.0ltr Twin turbo diesel boxer and drivetrain in a Landcruiser type chassis. Mmmmm

New Forrester is is getting on for Land Cruiser size now, smaller new SUV thing has just come out, have you guys been shown this over there yet?

The XV has not had the greatest motoring journo plaudits nor has it faired that brilliantly against the opposition. I'm talking about creating a full on modern 4x4 SUV that is up in the RR/LC/LR/G-W etc.. type of 4x4. Not Gaylander type/size and more capable off-road than your usual X-5, Q7, XC etc...

[Jayinjapan]

ScoobieWRX said:

The XV has not had the greatest motoring journo plaudits nor has it faired that brilliantly against the opposition. I'm talking about creating a full on modern 4x4 SUV that is up in the RR/LC/LR/G-W etc.. type of 4x4. Not Gaylander type/size and more capable off-road than your usual X-5, Q7, XC etc...

The Gaylander comment made me lol on the train on the way to work this morning, got some very funny looks...

I agree a full size SUV would be nice. Not sure it'll happen though. Recently all the Subaru ads on TV have been extolling safety / ecological / economy features rather than their handling / power / offroad prowess as they used to do, sign of the times perhaps? It's a shame, cos I have a soft spot for the company.

Toyota on the other hand have been actively trying to push their image back towards 'fun' with their recent campaigns...

[Studio117]

dukebox9reg said:

It should increase Toyota's flagging sales, its got a BMW diesel engine, don't you know. I heard that many a time when people talk about their MG ZT dervs.

Official figures for the year show sales of passenger cars and light commercial vehicles for the brand at 92,318, a 12.6 per cent increase over 2011.

84,000 in 2012.

Thats a big drop.

Edited by Studio117 on Saturday 26th January 04:11

[Kawasicki]

dukebox9reg said:

Kawasicki said:

Anything would be better than a fwd BMW sports car.

Mini Coupe does alright. And what's wrong with bringing out FWD models while they still are producing RWD across the range? Just don't buy the FWD models and stick with 1 series, 3 series, 4 series, 5 series, 6 series, 7 series, Z4. It's not like you haven't got choice.

Good on them for expanding their range. A lot of people are put off by buying RWD and BMW because of bad weather etc. It opens them up to a lot more buyers.

It would be interesting the take on a new Supra, but I think it would be more towards a re-hash of the Celica. Look at the direction of the new NSX, Skyline(GTR). The Supra's 90's rivals. They are all now supercars. I think it wouldn't be a fit for the Supra name(obviously i'm ignoring the RX7's replacement, the RX-8 was a step back really)

At least if they start with the Celica name (or another) at least it gives them room to bring out a hotter model with the Supra name.

It should increase Toyota's flagging sales, its got a BMW diesel engine, don't you know. I heard that many a time when people talk about their MG ZT dervs.

Mini Coupe does alright, if you don't mind a seriously flawed layout. Power on understeer, anyone? I don't wish to start an anti/pro fwd debate, but I do think that fwd is inferior to rwd (as did BMW), in terms of driving enjoyment, and I'm not referring to huge powerslides everywhere, as fun as that it, the real enjoyment potential can be enjoyed without upsetting the law.

[ScoobieWRX]

Jayinjapan said:

ScoobieWRX said:

The XV has not had the greatest motoring journo plaudits nor has it faired that brilliantly against the opposition. I'm talking about creating a full on modern 4x4 SUV that is up in the RR/LC/LR/G-W etc.. type of 4x4. Not Gaylander type/size and more capable off-road than your usual X-5, Q7, XC etc...

The Gaylander comment made me lol on the train on the way to work this morning, got some very funny looks...

I agree a full size SUV would be nice. Not sure it'll happen though. Recently all the Subaru ads on TV have been extolling safety / ecological / economy features rather than their handling / power / offroad prowess as they used to do, sign of the times perhaps? It's a shame, cos I have a soft spot for the company.

Toyota on the other hand have been actively trying to push their image back towards 'fun' with their recent campaigns...

I think in the same way they've collaborated with the GT86/BRZ coupe, which it's fair to say has been a proper success story, i reckon they could do the same with a proper 4x4 that could still be fun, safe, green, economical etc... Subaru engineering with Toyota style/chassis would be awesome and i reckon they'd sell by the bucket load.

There's no reason, if they haven't already, why Subaru couldn't design/manufacture an economical and torquey 2.5-3.0ltr TurboDiesel motor that meets latest emissions, coupled with their fabulous tried and tested Asymmetrical AWD system.

With LSD's both ends, decent suspension and sufficient ground clearance it would be highly capable on and off-road. This is something i would trade my trusty old 3rd gen Surf for.

[Andy ap]

Gt 86 front, Z4 rear quarters, looks interesting.

[Gizmoish]

Jayinjapan said:

A huge car for schoolgirls nurses er...?

[ajprice]

Zombie thread bump!

The BMW/Toyota collaboration has popped up again as a new model Mini Minor in 2019.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/mini/mini-m...
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/26/mini-minor-rock...

The new Mini is about 4m long, this Mini Minor would be 3450mm, so about Toyota Aygo size, and look like the Mini Rocketman concept (according to the links). Only another half metre to go and its the size of an original Mini

So, Mk3 Aygo joint with Mini Minor, not sure if Citroen/Peugeot would still be involved to make it an Aygo/109/C1/Mini 4 way deal?

Edit, I've just read the links through and the BMW/Toyota car wouldn't involve Citroen/Peugeot.

Edited by ajprice on Monday 23 February 13:39