RE: Peugeot 208 GTI pricing

[r1ch]

I've got a good feeling about the 208 GTI, i think it'll be alright.

[vanschpunk]

Mr2Mike said:

There's quite a lot of evidence to suggest you were fortunate in that particular case. The Mk1 Laguna must have one of the worst reliability records for a French car in the last 20 years, and was a nightmare for Renault (and many owners). It even has the dubious honor of it's poor reliability being mentioned in Wikipedia

The mk1 laguna was actually a great car....it was the mk2 laguna that was the mother of all F' ups!! And the a55 shaped megane followed suit!!

And i laugh how people are comparing how its "mk5 golf money" and not worth it....considering a mk6 Golf R is near £40k by the time it is properly specced up!!

Its about time the badge snobs wised up and opened their eyes!!!

Who would have thought current fords are more reliable than volkswagens, who also would have thought that kia and hyundai would have been right up there with the top euro brands, and who would have thought that vag would have made diesel coupes!!

Times have changed and companies have changed!! So i would take things at face value instead of dragging up the history books!!

You all sound like liverfool fans ffs!

[Krikkit]

pthelazyjourno said:

Personally wouldn't want to spend £20k on a small French hatch because depreciation will be horrific.

Spend it on a small German hatch (presuming you can find one at that money) and I'd put good money on it holding its value a lot better.

Can't argue with that - German stuff holds it value better for now, although how long before reliability problems start to erode their halo of perfection.

[dukebox9reg]

Mr2Mike said:

dukebox9reg said:

I don't know why French cars get such a bad reputation for reliability. The most reliable cars iv'e ever had have been French. The worse was VAG group.

Mk1 laguna RXE. 200,000miles(had from 105,000)nothing went wrong apart from a wheel bearing whilst I had it then the diff went and I scraped it because it was worth 3p.

There's quite a lot of evidence to suggest you were fortunate in that particular case. The Mk1 Laguna must have one of the worst reliability records for a French car in the last 20 years, and was a nightmare for Renault (and many owners). It even has the dubious honor of it's poor reliability being mentioned in Wikipedia

Mine was only a 2ltr 8V (115bhp baby) so it didn't really have much to go wrong. Talking computer was working until the end though. You sure your not thinking about the Mk2? I thought the Mk1's were fairly reliable.

[macdeb]

Megaflow said:

Either I being dim or I can't see a price in the article, but I am right in guessing that the 208 GTi is £18,995?

If so:


And breathe...

Oh, how I wish I still had my 'Turbo Technics' 1.9 205 gti.

[pthelazyjourno]

Krikkit said:

Can't argue with that - German stuff holds it value better for now, although how long before reliability problems start to erode their halo of perfection.

Plus horrific depreciation will make the 208 quite a nice 2nd hand buy.

Haven't seen the GTi but thought the regular 208 was quite a nice looking car, for a modern hatchback.

[Mr Whippy]

r1ch said:

I've got a good feeling about the 208 GTI, i think it'll be alright.

Me too.

I don't think much to the Fiesta really. Pretty sure it's heavier and less powerful.

If Ford make a Fiesta RS (basically a Mk1 Focus RS), then I'd be very interested. But for now the ST model just looks daft. It's still not got enough power for that sized car to be even considered a hot hatch.

Dave

[Ecosseven]

Mr Whippy said:

r1ch said:

I've got a good feeling about the 208 GTI, i think it'll be alright.

Me too.

I don't think much to the Fiesta really. Pretty sure it's heavier and less powerful.

If Ford make a Fiesta RS (basically a Mk1 Focus RS), then I'd be very interested. But for now the ST model just looks daft. It's still not got enough power for that sized car to be even considered a hot hatch.

Dave

180bhp in a relatively small, light body is not enough for a hot hatch?

[Richard-G]

burwoodman said:

Krikkit said:

ho said they're not better built now than in the 80s/90s period? Sampled a 208 last time I was at the dealer buying parts and it seemed very well screwed together indeed. Not quite up to Audi levels, but not far enough away to matter to me.

A quick run-through warranty direct's site (the only wide-based reliability stats I know of) at 207 vs Fiesta vs Mini vs Clio puts it as:
Fiesta 6/194.27
207 63/313.66
Clio 102/236
Mini Cooper 106/£400.31

Assuming there isn't anything disastrously bad on the 208 I can't see it being worse, can you?

They are better than in the 80's but still a long way behind their rivals. That is the point.

Disagree with you massively there burwoodman, I've had 1 brand new vw golf GT TDi and it was about as reliable as third world politics.

a brand new Z4 with cracked springs in no time, a need for a new ECU after 3k miles and windows that closed when THEY wanted to. Not to mention the door card coming off and BMW blaming the fact 'all the individual spec ones do that' the individual spec id just paid £2k for...

nearly new e92 with leaks, coil packs, lambda sensors broken speakers etc in less than 10k miles

My RCZ (new company car, i care for it not one bit) faultless bar a sensor in the swivel headlights, which was hardly a showstopper. It's now over 2 years old, on 30k miles and is the most reliable car i've ever owned.

we had a white 2.0 HDI RCZ with 65K miles in 2 years and that didn't put a foot wrong either and only required 3 services in that time.

oh and a fleet of over 20 308 hdi's all doing 100k every 3 years. One busted clutch and 6 window washer fuses blown.

Pugs are many things, unreliable is not one of them.

[Antj]

I think I speak on behalf of all ph ers over 30 and say I am bored of Peugeot still harking back to one great car , the 205

They said the 206 gti was the new 205 gti, it was not. They jazzed the 206 gti 180 up with a flash advert and told us is it was back, it was not. They then cried gti again with the 207 , it's back they cried, it was so not, in fact not long after this Peugeot themselves agreed and said no more gti badges

Then after all this they bring us the 208gti and expect excitement from us, sorry Peugeot you have cried wolf once too many times now and we don't believe you

[Hellbound]

Antj said:

I think I speak on behalf of all ph ers over 30 and say I am bored of Peugeot still harking back to one great car , the 205

They said the 206 gti was the new 205 gti, it was not. They jazzed the 206 gti 180 up with a flash advert and told us is it was back, it was not. They then cried gti again with the 207 , it's back they cried, it was so not, in fact not long after this Peugeot themselves agreed and said no more gti badges

Then after all this they bring us the 208gti and expect excitement from us, sorry Peugeot you have cried wolf once too many times now and we don't believe you

I'd say it was more the media hyping every GTI from Peugeot and creating a buzz because they know full well most people love the association with the 205 and it gets more of a response.

Peugeot are just going with it too this time because they need to sell cars.

[Mr Whippy]

Ecosseven said:

Mr Whippy said:

r1ch said:

I've got a good feeling about the 208 GTI, i think it'll be alright.

Me too.

I don't think much to the Fiesta really. Pretty sure it's heavier and less powerful.

If Ford make a Fiesta RS (basically a Mk1 Focus RS), then I'd be very interested. But for now the ST model just looks daft. It's still not got enough power for that sized car to be even considered a hot hatch.

Dave

180bhp in a relatively small, light body is not enough for a hot hatch?

I'll be surprised if it's under 1200kg... the absence of a claimed weight suggests it's not great, or Ford don't think it's important to tell us which isn't great when they are trying to sell it as a sporty car.

6.9s 0-60mph also sounds very optimistic for fwd and 180bhp too.


Sorry I can't get more excited. Over a decade ago we had a raft of ~ 200bhp ~ 1250-1350kg hatches, several with AWD. Is it too much to expect similar today?

Ford were the king of the hill at the time with their RS Focus, but today what do they have? An ST Fiesta. Whoopie bloody doo

Dave

[Antj]

Mr Whippy said:

I'll be surprised if it's under 1200kg... the absence of a claimed weight suggests it's not great, or Ford don't think it's important to tell us which isn't great when they are trying to sell it as a sporty car.

6.9s 0-60mph also sounds very optimistic for fwd and 180bhp too.


Sorry I can't get more excited. Over a decade ago we had a raft of ~ 200bhp ~ 1250-1350kg hatches, several with AWD. Is it too much to expect similar today?

Ford were the king of the hill at the time with their RS Focus, but today what do they have? An ST Fiesta. Whoopie bloody doo

Dave

Don't remember the mk1 rs ever being " king of the hill"

Think the civic had the crown in 2001-4

[NISaxoVTR]

Why do they persist with that gormless looking front grill. It looks like its got a mouth full of another car.

[Megaflow]

macdeb said:

Oh, how I wish I still had my 'Turbo Technics' 1.9 205 gti.

Oooo... I didn't know there was such a thing.

<Wanders off to google>

[renorti]

what an extraordinary unexciting looking new GTI.

[Darren61]

pthelazyjourno said:

Personally wouldn't want to spend £20k on a small French hatch because depreciation will be horrific.

Spend it on a small German hatch (presuming you can find one at that money) and I'd put good money on it holding its value a lot better.

Stop it. Just stop it. What are you doing on Piston Heads?

[Blown2CV]

this will be fat, slow and st.

[Mr Whippy]

Antj said:

Mr Whippy said:

I'll be surprised if it's under 1200kg... the absence of a claimed weight suggests it's not great, or Ford don't think it's important to tell us which isn't great when they are trying to sell it as a sporty car.

6.9s 0-60mph also sounds very optimistic for fwd and 180bhp too.


Sorry I can't get more excited. Over a decade ago we had a raft of ~ 200bhp ~ 1250-1350kg hatches, several with AWD. Is it too much to expect similar today?

Ford were the king of the hill at the time with their RS Focus, but today what do they have? An ST Fiesta. Whoopie bloody doo

Dave

Don't remember the mk1 rs ever being " king of the hill"

Think the civic had the crown in 2001-4

Really?

The Focus RS was something pretty special for the time. It still is in my view. If only it didn't have that god ugly horrible 4 spoke steering wheel abomination!

Dave

[Baryonyx]

Antj said:

Don't remember the mk1 rs ever being " king of the hill"

Think the civic had the crown in 2001-4

Indeed, it seems as though revisionists would see the history books rewritten to proclaim it the king of the day. That wasn't the case, as I remember it. There was as much praise for it's stunning engine as there was criticism of it's wayward handling. Time has been kind to it though, and it is spoken of fondly now (despite that utterly hideous interior, that was st then and is st now).

I remember well the speculation that some of the diffs had left the factory having been set up incorrectly. Again, that has faded, despite the popular assertion at the time that it was a stunning car on the right road and a dog on the wrong one. It was much hyped as a return to the RS badge (which had spent some time in the doldrums, not lest adorning the dire mk6 Escort RS2000). It has faired well over the years, but I certainly don't think of it as a high point for the RS badge, which is painful for me to admit as something of a Ford fanatic.

At the time, the Civic EP3 had the better engine, arguably the better handling and was far cheaper. The Seat Leon Cupra R 225 was just as mighty as the Focus RS when tuned, and again far cheaper. Peugeots 306 GTi-6 and the 106 GTi were still enjoying the plaudits they had been lavished since their launch and 'classic' hot hatches were much more readily available. The competition was fairly stiff in those days.



A colleague of mine had a Focus RS and traded it for an Escort Cosworth Monte Carlo. He liked the Focus RS, though he did comment on it's odd trait of tightening a cornering line under throttle rather than running wide like most FWD cars. He was much more enamoured with the Escort Cosworth, though that is another story entirely.