RE: PH Carpool: Ferrari Mondial
Discussion
Darkcat said:
C36 Nico said:
I see... let me try to phrase it a bit differently.
Did it live up to your expectations?
hmm, ok. Did it live up to your expectations?
yes, and exceeded them by a long way.
Yearly services, how much were they and how much would you budget annually to keep it in reasonable fettle mechanically ( a daily driver example then, not concours polishing)
Would i buy another......as i have one alredy that i really like, no as it will not be any different. Would i recomend them to others in the same situation as I am/was then absolutely.
The quoted lack of parts is a bit of an urban myth, as while it is true that the factory may not still sell them, many parts are identical from other manufactures or can be made or can be found second hand. All good indi's know how to keep the cars in great shape, so really would not get concerned by the stories. I am not aware of any cars that died simply because of X part no longer being available.
348's and Mondial T's are different though and i certaily would not want to pretend that one is a "slightly cheaper version of the other". The Mondial T is a "practical" GT car and as such should be viewed in that way. Sure it has sporting pretentions and as others above have said is rather a good steer in it's own right, but it is not a 2 seater sports car.
The quoted lack of parts is a bit of an urban myth, as while it is true that the factory may not still sell them, many parts are identical from other manufactures or can be made or can be found second hand. All good indi's know how to keep the cars in great shape, so really would not get concerned by the stories. I am not aware of any cars that died simply because of X part no longer being available.
348's and Mondial T's are different though and i certaily would not want to pretend that one is a "slightly cheaper version of the other". The Mondial T is a "practical" GT car and as such should be viewed in that way. Sure it has sporting pretentions and as others above have said is rather a good steer in it's own right, but it is not a 2 seater sports car.
Justayellowbadge said:
C36 Nico said:
9.4, that has to be a mistake.
There were those that said the car was, but the figure isn't.The euro-spec mondial took a bit over 8 seconds to go from 0 to 60 mph. American version – with a believed 180hp output – was even notoriously timed at 9.4 seconds ! unquestionably, such performance did not live up to its look as well as our expectation for Ferrari.
Fortunately, whenever 308 / 328GTB received an engine upgrade, Mondial also got the same treatment. Quattrovalvole (4-valve) was introduced in 1982. It lifted the 3-liter engine to 240 horsepower and reduced 0-60 mph to the low 7 seconds range. In 1985, it got the 3.2-litre engine from 328GTB. 270 horsepower allowed 0-60 to be done in 6.8 seconds. Like a Marathon runner, Mondial was picking up speed gradually. Like wine, the older it grew, the better it got.
take all these figures as indicative guidence, but some googling for fixed price servicing on a T says yeraly will be £400-£550 and a cambelt/service every 3rd £900-£1200.
The transverse engine earlier cars are cheaper to change belts on, and can be done at home with the engin in situ should you have the confidence.
The transverse engine earlier cars are cheaper to change belts on, and can be done at home with the engin in situ should you have the confidence.
markcoopers said:
take all these figures as indicative guidence, but some googling for fixed price servicing on a T says yeraly will be £400-£550 and a cambelt/service every 3rd £900-£1200.
The transverse engine earlier cars are cheaper to change belts on, and can be done at home with the engin in situ should you have the confidence.
Seems very reasonable tbh. Touch wood nothing else goes wrong.The transverse engine earlier cars are cheaper to change belts on, and can be done at home with the engin in situ should you have the confidence.
I had a 1983 QV and loved it. Had that for about five years and it was a wonderful entry into Ferrari ownership and for me Italian car ownership.
I had problems with the fuse box, quite a few and it took me four years (with considerable help) to get this sorted.
I never fell out with the car though but decided to move on. I still look fondly at the prices and they have risen or at least the advertised price has. I bought mine in 2004 for £14750 and late 2009/early 2010 struggled to sell it and eventually part exchanging it.
Today I think I would consider a Maserati 3200/4200, however they for sure would be more expensive to run.
I went through all my receipts and estimated a total maintenance bill over 5 years of just circa £5k.
I had problems with the fuse box, quite a few and it took me four years (with considerable help) to get this sorted.
I never fell out with the car though but decided to move on. I still look fondly at the prices and they have risen or at least the advertised price has. I bought mine in 2004 for £14750 and late 2009/early 2010 struggled to sell it and eventually part exchanging it.
Today I think I would consider a Maserati 3200/4200, however they for sure would be more expensive to run.
I went through all my receipts and estimated a total maintenance bill over 5 years of just circa £5k.
I think the 3.2 is probably the best of the bunch. The T will be an excellent car but the 3.2 like the QV cheaper to maintain but has a much more modern look.
Would be my personal choice.
I can't comment on the cab vs coupé though. I like both but generally prefer coupés.
Would be my personal choice.
I can't comment on the cab vs coupé though. I like both but generally prefer coupés.
Edited by MalcQV on Monday 11th February 19:06
Yep! Mondial look a total bargain to me tbh.
especially the 3.2.
The T is the first F1-layout longitunally placed engine so maintenance hikes up a bit unless you can do your own services...
Someone once described the Ferrari 328 as the closest ferrari ever got to a toyota, another mechanic chimed in that if all of his customers drove 328`s he would be broke.
Being based on 328 running gear the 3.2 presents itself as a sensible choice.
especially the 3.2.
The T is the first F1-layout longitunally placed engine so maintenance hikes up a bit unless you can do your own services...
Someone once described the Ferrari 328 as the closest ferrari ever got to a toyota, another mechanic chimed in that if all of his customers drove 328`s he would be broke.
Being based on 328 running gear the 3.2 presents itself as a sensible choice.
C36 Nico said:
MalcQV said:
A Ferrari described as a Toyota, that is a first for me.
To be fair, it was from a ferrariman who meant it in the best possible way - namely in terms of running costs 
C36 Nico said:
MalcQV said:
A Ferrari described as a Toyota, that is a first for me.
To be fair, it was from a ferrariman who meant it in the best possible way - namely in terms of running costs In '87, when I was about 11, a friend's mum's friend took me for a top down run in his then new 3.2 cabrio. One of my favourite childhood car experiences.
Today I drove a Ferrari for the first time, a 3.2 Mondial, with the roof down. A beautiful example too.
It wasn't the rocket ship it was back then, but visceral, and a dream come true. Really, really exciting. I'm still excited.
A bit O/T but I was ready to sell my 928, after the ferrari drive I had a moment of clarity and texted the prospective purchaser that I am sorry, but I'm not selling. 80s supercar love.
Today I drove a Ferrari for the first time, a 3.2 Mondial, with the roof down. A beautiful example too.
It wasn't the rocket ship it was back then, but visceral, and a dream come true. Really, really exciting. I'm still excited.
A bit O/T but I was ready to sell my 928, after the ferrari drive I had a moment of clarity and texted the prospective purchaser that I am sorry, but I'm not selling. 80s supercar love.
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