RE: Minker K1: PH Carpool
Discussion
TREMAiNE said:
StottyZr said:
A friends dad owned the red one for a few years (about 10years ago) it was up for sale again recently for something like £4500. I thought it would be worth a punt but decided I didn't have enough spare money to buy it.
I'd expect the values will be rising now the UKs populace of Petrolheads know it exists
Apparently the red one was single turbo'd and has now been written off I'd expect the values will be rising now the UKs populace of Petrolheads know it exists
blade7 said:
"Countach beater" I remember when they came out and when the 4x4 Cosworth came out for a lot less money.
I remember the performance was favourably compared ( up to 130mph at least )to a Testarossa in the Performance Car article which tested the Minker 323. You're right though in that, the 315bhp Cosworth 4x4 in the same test was quick as the Minker at less cost, albeit the performance was delivered differently.Reading some of the comments on here make me feel really old, there were quite a few specials floating around at the time TT, Rouse, BBR all had plays with Sierras in various guises.
I owned a couple of standard XR4x4 as has been said before, scary launches and great handling (especially after fitting poly bushes) and this was an era when we loved playing silly buggers and engine swaps were rife, just about anything would get a Rover V8 shoved in it, Capris got cossie lumps and one of my XR4x4s got the later 2.9 24v Cosworth lump fitted from the Granada.
I owned a couple of standard XR4x4 as has been said before, scary launches and great handling (especially after fitting poly bushes) and this was an era when we loved playing silly buggers and engine swaps were rife, just about anything would get a Rover V8 shoved in it, Capris got cossie lumps and one of my XR4x4s got the later 2.9 24v Cosworth lump fitted from the Granada.
Whilst I appreciate the love a man can have for his car I just don't see this at all. Looks like a Max Power right off gone horribly wrong. Sorry, I am sure it's a nice car and a nice owner but 100% Carpool fail.
If PH is going for rarity can I finally propose my Delta HPE, only 6 in GB and with a real Evo engine? The only Q car as it looks like a normal hatch back. No body kits or dodgy wheels...
If PH is going for rarity can I finally propose my Delta HPE, only 6 in GB and with a real Evo engine? The only Q car as it looks like a normal hatch back. No body kits or dodgy wheels...
M666 EVO said:
Whilst I appreciate the love a man can have for his car I just don't see this at all. Looks like a Max Power right off gone horribly wrong. Sorry, I am sure it's a nice car and a nice owner but 100% Carpool fail.
If PH is going for rarity can I finally propose my Delta HPE, only 6 in GB and with a real Evo engine? The only Q car as it looks like a normal hatch back. No body kits or dodgy wheels...
This is one of three in the world, not in GB. So quite a bit rarer As said - a Marmite car, but one a true petrolhead does appreciate, even if not for the looks. If PH is going for rarity can I finally propose my Delta HPE, only 6 in GB and with a real Evo engine? The only Q car as it looks like a normal hatch back. No body kits or dodgy wheels...
Personally never heard of it, that alone stirs my interest. Stirred far more having read into the details.
PS Write off.
Edited by menoy on Monday 13th May 20:00
That Minker rear spoiler was first seen as far back as 1984 on the Sierra XR4i TT 230
http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/6383...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/6383...
T66ORA said:
Phil Dicky said:
Weren't Gartrac responsible for the RS1700T as well?...bet the youngster won't have a clue what one of those is
The RS1700T was a Boreham motorsport project, Gartrac did the 2.8i V6 rwd mk3 Escorts(G6).Lots more pics of it here, including under-bonnet shots of the V6 http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ge...
Looking like a baby Quattro. Very clean and original, just how I like em.
Remember these well from the 80's. One mag (Fast Lane possibly) spoke to a couple of traffic cops about the car given that they could never catch it in their Granada or Carlton and they both said they thought it was some new type of Japanese thing. Not a looker but sometimes that's not the point, a rare, rare motor. Makes the Tickford Capri look mass produced!!
The XR4x4 turbo's ( Minker, Turbo technics etc) were very good compared with the standard car XR4x4 but compared to the Sierra Cosworth they were a heavy old lump with inert handling and poor brakes compared to the Cossie, although the 4x4 turbo was great at coping with wet / damp / bumpy roads where the Cossie would just lose traction and slide around even in a straight line.
I got to drive them both both in the late 80's when my dad had a few of them. The later Saphire Cosworth 4x with some simple upgrades was miles better than either of them.
The XR 4x4 was a heavy old lump, good for towing, the turbo versions were fast but pretty lame compared to a quick Cossie.
I got to drive them both both in the late 80's when my dad had a few of them. The later Saphire Cosworth 4x with some simple upgrades was miles better than either of them.
The XR 4x4 was a heavy old lump, good for towing, the turbo versions were fast but pretty lame compared to a quick Cossie.
Zad said:
T66ORA said:
Phil Dicky said:
Weren't Gartrac responsible for the RS1700T as well?...bet the youngster won't have a clue what one of those is
The RS1700T was a Boreham motorsport project, Gartrac did the 2.8i V6 rwd mk3 Escorts(G6).Lots more pics of it here, including under-bonnet shots of the V6 http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ge...
Looking like a baby Quattro. Very clean and original, just how I like em.
Like others, I'm slightly struggling to be convinced about the performance figures but Mr Russ 16V makes a convincing case. My doubts stem from the fact that the fastest standard (note, standard) contemporary car was almost certainly the 911 Turbo (often referred to as the 930). Motor magazine produced 5.3 secs 0-60 and Autocar 5.1. This from a car of similar power - 300 bhp - with phenomenal traction - though not of course 4WD back then - and low weight (as someone else pointed out - Eighties cars were lighter than today's, generally). I know I could not achieve 4.5 0-60 from my own 4WD 996 with 300BHP and it is also respectably light. Can we be clear - is that 320bhp figure an at-the-wheels number? That would make all the difference. Either way - I would like it much better if it looked more standard - like the Cossie that pursued me in my 996 Turbo one time - a story I have already alluded to elsewhere so will not bore you all with again.
MarkPhillipson said:
Like others, I'm slightly struggling to be convinced about the performance figures but Mr Russ 16V makes a convincing case. My doubts stem from the fact that the fastest standard (note, standard) contemporary car was almost certainly the 911 Turbo (often referred to as the 930). Motor magazine produced 5.3 secs 0-60 and Autocar 5.1. This from a car of similar power - 300 bhp - with phenomenal traction - though not of course 4WD back then - and low weight (as someone else pointed out - Eighties cars were lighter than today's, generally). I know I could not achieve 4.5 0-60 from my own 4WD 996 with 300BHP and it is also respectably light.
The Autocar actual timed figures for the Minker K1 in the June 1990 issue were 4.8 seconds to 60 - the timings they had for the Countach were 4.9 to 60. The Minker was quicker in a fair few of the 4th and 5th gear increments below 90 than the Lamborghini even with the longer final drive ratio ( £690 option ) that the test car had. Whether you believe the figures or not, they do broadly tie in with what you'd expect from 320bhp in a 4wd Sierra. Performance Car magazine obtained very similar figures from a 315bhp Sapphire Cosworth 4x4 and the Minker 323 they timed. I'm sure a 996 with the same power would sail on to a higher speed because of gearing thoughUndoubtedly a large slice of headline-grabbing license by Autocar in saying it was a Lamborghini beater but then they are in the business of selling magazines!
No, no - I believe Autocar - they were an honest bunch. But I would suggest that at higher speeds, yes, a 996 (narrow-body pre-S - this is beginning to sound a trifle geeky) would win out but more because of aerodynamics than gearing. Sierras were pretty slippy in their day but take a look at a 3.4 996 - incredibly shallow shape (no bulging arches) and completely flat underneath. 0.30CD I believe.
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