RE: Ferrari F12: Review

RE: Ferrari F12: Review

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E38Ross

35,071 posts

212 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Krikkit said:
Quite - dry weight vs kerb weight is hardly any difference on 99% of road cars, a bike it makes a bigger difference of course.
Well in most cars it's at least 10% of the value. I reckon maybe quote ready for road with 75kgs driver, full with oil coolant etc andI maybe 10litres of fuel and 1litre screenwash.

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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As someone who grew up with 627bhp and 0-62 in 3.2 sec at the 'gold standard' the headline figures from performance cars of late are simply staggering.

It comes as no surprise that such heady performance cannot be accessed on the public road.

E38Ross

35,071 posts

212 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
E38Ross said:
I never understand the quoting of dry weights. They're totally meaningless.

You can't drive a car without oil, coolant, fuel etc so why quote without it? They're all vital components. We offer different to quoting a weight without wheels and tyres.
I guess there are two main reasons why some makers claim it:

- it gives a lower number, good for publicity and generally confusing people.
- a 'wet' weight needs defining; does it include fuel for example.

Google says:

"Petrol weight 1Litre = 0.711kg"

A 19 gallon tank full of petrol would add approx 61kg.
Ok so most cars add about 45-50kgs for fuel, plus 75kgs for driver, add what, 15kgs for oil, coolant and some scree wash you're talking around 10% additional mass. Fair amount. Funny I remember someone a while ago claiming the M5 was too heavy and some other car was better as it was lighter.... Yet they quoted a dry vs kerb weight and worked out the M5 was lighter hehe

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

189 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Would still have the Aventatdor (if I could afford it) over the Ferrari.

Why? It looks 10 times better and it is Batman's car!!!

The Ferrari may be dynamically superior but such things can only ever be tested on the race track where I'd never go and risk pranging my quarter of a million quid hyper car.

epom

11,514 posts

161 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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That sounds like something of epic proportions...

crostonian

2,427 posts

172 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Schermerhorn said:
Would still have the Aventatdor (if I could afford it) over the Ferrari.

Why? It looks 10 times better and it is Batman's car!!!

The Ferrari may be dynamically superior but such things can only ever be tested on the race track where I'd never go and risk pranging my quarter of a million quid hyper car.
I think most people in the market for a new F12 could afford an Aventador aswell!

Vladimir

6,917 posts

158 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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I'd have an F13 just to annoy everyone else.

sagarich

1,213 posts

149 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Looking forward to the accompanying video.

exceed

454 posts

176 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Lottery tomorrow, the only real Ferrari I'd buy today.

Other than the 599...

NGK210

2,925 posts

145 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Interesting that CH was lent the F12 by Ferrari UK, aka Ferrari SpA's official importer. So, that seems like a tacit admission from Ferrari that it actually values CH's vids/opinion/audience - I wonder how CH's ego is feeling? hehe

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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E38Ross said:
Ok so most cars add about 45-50kgs for fuel, plus 75kgs for driver, add what, 15kgs for oil, coolant and some scree wash you're talking around 10% additional mass. Fair amount. Funny I remember someone a while ago claiming the M5 was too heavy and some other car was better as it was lighter.... Yet they quoted a dry vs kerb weight and worked out the M5 was lighter hehe
???

365daytonafan

283 posts

185 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Blackpuddin said:
So Ferrari is now charging an extra £15k+ to paint its cars red? Hmm.
Rossa Monza is a special order shade of red, I believe that cars painted in that shade are initially finished in normal Rosso Corsa, The car is then taken to a specialist paintshop to be repainted in Rosso Monza. If you scratch it the car has to go back to the same paintshop to be redone.

It's basically the same red as seen on the Alfa Romeo 8C and bizarrely enough was briefly available on the entire range of Alfa Romeos. You could have your Mito in the same colour and it still cost £15k to paint.

Jerome92

3 posts

127 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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By far too powerful! I prefer Alfa 4C's philosophy...

ewolg

1,678 posts

279 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Before Wilton supercar event we went to Wroughton airfield where I went up the runway in an F12. Got to 168mph by the end - ballistically quick and very impressive.

Chris Harris

494 posts

153 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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It's not an especially emotional driving experience on the road, but it's actually just what I'd want in this type of car. I desperately want one. Finance calculations?!

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

189 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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365daytonafan said:
Blackpuddin said:
So Ferrari is now charging an extra £15k+ to paint its cars red? Hmm.
Rossa Monza is a special order shade of red, I believe that cars painted in that shade are initially finished in normal Rosso Corsa, The car is then taken to a specialist paintshop to be repainted in Rosso Monza. If you scratch it the car has to go back to the same paintshop to be redone.

It's basically the same red as seen on the Alfa Romeo 8C and bizarrely enough was briefly available on the entire range of Alfa Romeos. You could have your Mito in the same colour and it still cost £15k to paint.
I sell it for £3.99 in a can

Wonder how many cans you'd need to respray a car in Monza Red?

British Beef

2,213 posts

165 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Financing options... mortgaging options more like!

A shot in the dark -

Assuming you have equity in property to secure the loan and you have a "friendly" bank manager:

> Nearly new cost: F12 iwht 500 miles on clock ~£250k
> 1 year old: F12 with 2500 miles on clock ~£220k

Depreciation for 1 year: £30k "max" - BIG unknown - cheapest Aventador 2 yrs old with 11k miles has only lost £50k from new price (16% in 2 years!!!!!)
Cost of finance at 7% £14k (assuming £50k deposit)
Cost of insurance ???? £3k
Im sure I read that service is included for first 3 years on all new Ferraris
Petrol / consumables almost irrelevant, as you would be spending +/- on what ever car you drive.

1 year and 2000 miles I would guess £47k or £3917 per month or £23.50 per mile.

Tempted ????


RINGMEISTER

154 posts

181 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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Really wish Ferrari would go back to 4 circular tail lamps instead of just 2.

V8 FOU

2,974 posts

147 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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OK Chris. Let's have the F12 vs Lister vid eh? You know you want to.....

Thankyou4calling

10,602 posts

173 months

Tuesday 17th September 2013
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365daytonafan said:
Rossa Monza is a special order shade of red, I believe that cars painted in that shade are initially finished in normal Rosso Corsa, The car is then taken to a specialist paintshop to be repainted in Rosso Monza. If you scratch it the car has to go back to the same paintshop to be redone.

It's basically the same red as seen on the Alfa Romeo 8C and bizarrely enough was briefly available on the entire range of Alfa Romeos. You could have your Mito in the same colour and it still cost £15k to paint.
Interesting. When you say "you Beleive" why is that ?