RE: BMW M135i vs used Porsche 911 Carrera

RE: BMW M135i vs used Porsche 911 Carrera

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Wolands Advocate

2,493 posts

215 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Wolands Advocate said:
Dblue said:
nickfrog said:
Shurv said:
If you look at the 1st year depreciation on a 135i, it'd cover for a full engine rebuild on the 911
Hartech charge £6-7K for that. Would you kindly point me in the direction of 1 year M135i for around £20k, as they were £26k/£27k after discount, thanks a lot.
That would be about right as a trade in price for a 12k mile car I would think, just £3k or £4k more retail. And that £26k price is for a truly back to basic spec car. Whilst you may think its reasonable, every time I look at the list of options on the PH Car I cant believe that a lot of that stuff doesn't come standard on a top of the range 1 Series.
And in 2 years time they'll be £18-19k retail.

The 997 will still be the same price. Much cheaper in reality even if the engine blows up.
The guides suggest that a year old 5dr with nav and 10k up will be part-exchangeable at £26k and would retail for the thick end of £30k still at a franchised dealer.

And back to basics in standard guise? Tell me what it lacks that is typically standard on a £30k German car?
It's there from the absolute start that I was talking about a 5dr with Nav. If that's confusing for you, then...

And the debate was not about basic specs only so far as I can tell.

nickfrog

20,872 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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If someone was thick enough to buy a M135i with nav and then sell it after 12 months maybe they'd deserve the depreciation hit so maybe the debate can stop here really.

Wolands Advocate

2,493 posts

215 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Well there is that.

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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I love the way 30 grand is talked about as thou its loose change and BMW are practically giving them away.

Best to wait a couple of years and get a nice one owner one for half that or not much more, then it becomes a bargain, as it is, if I had 30 grand I wouldnt be looking at hatchbacks, however fast.

If BMW could have only made it nice looking, or at least no uglier than the first 1 series which in three door form was quite handsome, as a coupe it looked like a hat on wheels as it was too short for that roofline (the 1 M gets away with it due to the flared arches and big wheels) and a neighbour has a black convertible, which looks like a pram.

nickfrog

20,872 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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J4CKO said:
I love the way 30 grand is talked about as thou its loose change and BMW are practically giving them away.

Best to wait a couple of years and get a nice one owner one for half that or not much more, then it becomes a bargain, as it is, if I had 30 grand I wouldnt be looking at hatchbacks, however fast.
So if everyone waited, how would there be any available used in a couple of years ? The new vs used debate has been done to death, it's a personal choice and buying second hand does not always yield the savings that one might hope, when all parameters are taken into account.

At £26.5K with all the kit one may need, they're a bargain IMO.

pilchardthecat

7,483 posts

178 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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J4CKO said:
I love the way 30 grand is talked about as thou its loose change and BMW are practically giving them away.

Best to wait a couple of years and get a nice one owner one for half that or not much more, then it becomes a bargain, as it is, if I had 30 grand I wouldnt be looking at hatchbacks, however fast.

If BMW could have only made it nice looking, or at least no uglier than the first 1 series which in three door form was quite handsome, as a coupe it looked like a hat on wheels as it was too short for that roofline (the 1 M gets away with it due to the flared arches and big wheels) and a neighbour has a black convertible, which looks like a pram.
I do think BMW are missing a trick completely by not making a proper 2+2 sports car. I know they dont really have a tradition of doing so, but the way they are filling in every possible niche imaginable (4 door coupe slopy-backed GT 4x4 estates) but completely ignoring the one niche i'm actually interested in!

Vladimir

6,917 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Funny post Jacko! Bit you could argue that a 350z looks like a bloated sports car with an enormous bum....

I'm hanging on a bit. It made sense to buy our camper new (they are near depreciation proof) but the BM, listing at £39k with options, was picked up two years old and 16k miles from a main dealer for £21k. And a decent price for the Ashtray in px (which the sales guy crashed on the drive back...!). There's something about paying more than that for a car listing at much less that causes me mental anguish.

With the deals being had new, I suspect depreciation will be fairly brutal.

Vladimir

6,917 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Nick; glad I'm not the only one who has noticed... wink

Vladimir

6,917 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Cmoose; you prance around this forum like some self professed car legend, you make the most hilariously pompous comments; do you not expect a little rib ticking?

As for bullying and anonymity, this is the internet. If you think that a little pi55 taking is bullying, you need help. And I'm about as anonymous to anyone with half an IT brain as Beyoncé.

Vladimir

6,917 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Cmoose; if someone acts like you do on here but in a face to face situation, I absolutely rip the pi55 out of them. And I'd expect the same back.

It's how us British are made.

Vladimir

6,917 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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"Shooting the breeze."


Vladimir

6,917 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Do you actually know what ad hominen means?

It appears not.

nickfrog

20,872 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Eh cmoose. Thanks for the PM. Huge apologies for doubting you. You clearly have driven these cars, and clearly I was right to start with saying that you're very lucky !

I do still think that you should sometimes be more humble when confronted with other people's views. Don't take this as an attack or anything nasty though.


Nick

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 1st October 18:50

nickfrog

20,872 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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I'll do the same wink

djglover

423 posts

216 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Vladimir said:
How is it so far? Ours would be covering similar duties and would replace a 335d touring.
Haven't taken delivery yet! Only ordered last week

Vladimir

6,917 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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djglover said:
Haven't taken delivery yet! Only ordered last week
Oops, sorry, I read it as "you've had it for a week!"


pilchardthecat

7,483 posts

178 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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This thread was more fun when you wuz bickerin

Might have to click ignore on it now

I for one have always enjoyed the mild pomposity of Mr moose, although I might have to start arguing with him so I can get secret private emails

Vladimir

6,917 posts

157 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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pilchardthecat said:
This thread was more fun when you wuz bickerin

Might have to click ignore on it now

I for one have always enjoyed the mild pomposity of Mr moose, although I might have to start arguing with him so I can get secret private emails
laughroflwhistle

russy01

4,693 posts

180 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2013
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Odd comparison but interesting, Bit of an obvious outcome as ones a 70k junior supercar whilst the others a 30k Hatchback.

But I'm all up for more of these New VS Old reviews as these are the choices most of us have to make.


mikey k

13,011 posts

215 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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hehe

I have an M135i as my "co car"
My business partner has a 997 gen 1 C4S
He's going to love this article