Why bikers die
Discussion
Vladimir said:
A lot of bikers love the whole risk thing. It makes them feel all brave and manly to be dressed like a Power Ranger risking their own and other peoples lives.
Human beings are thrill seekers. Racing through traffic is a hell of a buzz (so my mate down the pub recons). Doesn't make it right though - it's a very silly thing to do
I find most people are polite when I filter. Sometimes you get one at the front of the lights that takes exception, but I'm at 40mph before he's even off the clutch so makes no odds to me. I like to get out of the way of others and appreciate when they do for me.
I don't do high speed filtering though, that's one step too far for me. The only place I'll take a risk is when off roading with no one around or on a deadly quiet Sunday morning A/B road when no one is around.
I don't do high speed filtering though, that's one step too far for me. The only place I'll take a risk is when off roading with no one around or on a deadly quiet Sunday morning A/B road when no one is around.
Vladimir said:
Dapearson:
A good friend of mines dad killed himself on his super bike. Her mum pleaded and pleaded for him to stop using it but he wouldn't. Many lives seriously affected.
I'd get an off road bike but just like I rarely use my road bicycle, I'd not use a fast road motorbike. They s
t me right up even though many look stunning.
I was talking to a guy about a month ago in a wheelchair. Paralyzed from the waste down after an off road crash. Never had a crash on the road and reckoned he would still be walking if he had not started off road.A good friend of mines dad killed himself on his super bike. Her mum pleaded and pleaded for him to stop using it but he wouldn't. Many lives seriously affected.
I'd get an off road bike but just like I rarely use my road bicycle, I'd not use a fast road motorbike. They s
t me right up even though many look stunning.Anyway, there are t
ts on bikes and in cars.Shall we start complaining about all car drivers because of the pricks who do 120mph on the motorway and drive 1 foot from the car in front?
Most motorbike deaths involving another vehicle it is far more likely that the other driver was at fault, so no, this is not why bikers die. Car drivers not looking for bikers is the larges proportion of these.
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/dft_motorcycle_acci...
57% of accidents involving a motorbike and another party a car was at fault. In only 22% of cases was the motorcyclist at fault. In 12% there was combined fault or unclear (All % rounded up)
Inappropriate speed is only a factor in 30% of accidents where loose of control was the cause.
"Risk Taking" is only the cause in 20% of accidents.
So how about before pointing fingers you look for bikes? Statistics show that by far the largest cause of accidents if car drivers not looking.
Some people do ride like t
ts, I'm not going to defend them, but to spread this to all bikers is just idiotic when cars are far more likely to be at fault.Edited by SteveSteveson on Monday 11th November 10:56
From years of riding a cycle back and fourth to work, by far the worst culprits for treating my life nonchalantly were Motorbike riders and Lorry drivers. Don't get me wrong, I had a few near misses with cars, but nothing like that with Lorries and Superbikes and considering the amount of cars on the roads it just went to show me that the idiot/asshole gene is far more pravilent in bikes and lorry drivers than it is in car drivers.
Superbikes would regularly seem to find it amusing to fly passed me with inches to spare, and if you ride a cycle you know that a small gust of wind or debris will make you swerve out a little.
Superbikes would regularly seem to find it amusing to fly passed me with inches to spare, and if you ride a cycle you know that a small gust of wind or debris will make you swerve out a little.
CHN said:
From years of riding a cycle back and fourth to work, by far the worst culprits for treating my life nonchalantly were Motorbike riders and Lorry drivers. Don't get me wrong, I had a few near misses with cars, but nothing like that with Lorries and Superbikes and considering the amount of cars on the roads it just went to show me that the idiot/asshole gene is far more pravilent in bikes and lorry drivers than it is in car drivers.
Superbikes would regularly seem to find it amusing to fly passed me with inches to spare, and if you ride a cycle you know that a small gust of wind or debris will make you swerve out a little.
Yes and yes. It's been said 'x' number of times. Superbikes would regularly seem to find it amusing to fly passed me with inches to spare, and if you ride a cycle you know that a small gust of wind or debris will make you swerve out a little.
Sounds like we're not going to convince anyone then.
fk it. Fine. We ARE the root of all evil. We are responsible for most road deaths. We deliberately aim for cyclists too. In fact come to think of it, i love it when a kitten steps out into the road. I wheelie everywhere, particularly past schools. If i'm not doing 100mph i'm not happy, especially when undertaking YOU in YOUR car.
Better?
Can we move on now?
f
k it. Fine. We ARE the root of all evil. We are responsible for most road deaths. We deliberately aim for cyclists too. In fact come to think of it, i love it when a kitten steps out into the road. I wheelie everywhere, particularly past schools. If i'm not doing 100mph i'm not happy, especially when undertaking YOU in YOUR car.Better?
Can we move on now?
SteveSteveson said:
Well if cyclists actually looked for bikes... Also, I have to question that. If the bike clips you he is going to come off far worse than you, and bikes have plenty of room to pass a bike.
Bloody hell, are you serious?This happened so often it isn't funny. Always along a long stretch of road, I'm riding along, tucked into the side and Superbike flies passed at highly illegal speeds giving me a couple of inches. So let me get this right, as I'm riding along I'm supposed to be looking over my shoulder for motorbikes? What is my proposed course of action then? I see said motorbike hurtling down the road, am I supposed to apply the brakes and hop into the bloody hedge? How about the motorbike actually takes into account the nature of a cycle and slows down and gives me more room?
And as far as the b
ks about the biker coming off worse.... I'm doing 15mph and a 300kg bike doing 70+ ploughs into me, the biker is going to come off worse? I really don't think so. Theres a chance we both die, but I think the better odds will be more with him than me by quite some margin. Its highly likely that a cyclist in this collision will lose a limb or two at the very least. Besides that, I couldn't give a st if he does come off worse, it's his bloody fault!Edited by CHN on Monday 11th November 11:13
Edited by CHN on Monday 11th November 11:17
CHN said:
SteveSteveson said:
Well if cyclists actually looked for bikes... Also, I have to question that. If the bike clips you he is going to come off far worse than you, and bikes have plenty of room to pass a bike.
Bloody hell, are you serious?This happened so often it isn't funny. Always along a long stretch of road, I'm riding along, tucked into the side and Superbike flies passed at highly illegal speeds giving me a couple of inches. So let me get this right, as I'm riding along I'm supposed to be looking over my shoulder for motorbikes? What is my proposed course of action then? I see said motorbike hurtling down the road, am I supposed to apply the brakes and hop into the bloody hedge? How about the motorbike actually takes into account the nature of a cycle and slows down and gives me more room?
And as far as the b
ks about the biker coming off worse.... I'm doing 15mph and a 300kg bike doing 70+ ploughs into me, the biker is going to come off worse? I really don't think so. Theres a chance we both die, but I think the better odds will be more with him than me by quite some margin. Its highly likely that a cyclist in this collision will lose a limb or two at the very least. Besides that, I couldn't give a st if he does come off worse, it's his bloody fault!Look for bikes, you don't have to really as most of the middle aged heroes have noisy cans. Shame some of them think it's amusing to scare the crap out of cyclists.
CHN said:
From years of riding a cycle back and fourth to work, by far the worst culprits for treating my life nonchalantly were Motorbike riders and Lorry drivers.
I always found bus drivers to be the worst - couldn't give a toss if a bike is right alongside them in a straight-ahead cycle lane, they'll just turn left anyway and assume you can either stop instantly or take to the footpath to avoid them.trackerjack said:
Years ago I watched a biker pass me at maybe 120 and the car up front moved out to overtake, the biker hit the back of the car and was somersaulted high in the air like a rag doll and he died as he fell onto the central crash barriers.
You seem to be suggesting that the motorcyclist was soley at fault here?dapearson said:
If you ride at a similar pace to the vehicles around you...
...other drivers won't notice you and you'll get rear ended, pushed into the gutter or sideswiped out of existence. You're better off being ascertive and keeping a slightly higher pace than other traffic IME.Agree with the 'not riding like a t
t' part. 
supersingle said:
dapearson said:
If you ride at a similar pace to the vehicles around you...
...other drivers won't notice you and you'll get rear ended, pushed into the gutter or sideswiped out of existence. You're better off being ascertive and keeping a slightly higher pace than other traffic IME.Agree with the 'not riding like a t
t' part. I did say "similar"!
I wasn't saying "ride at 56, following the lorries and old biddies". I just meant that if everyone else is doing 60, and you're doing 90, you're not ever too far away from a 30 mph (min) accident. If you close the cap to everyone else around you then you lower your risk. Not to mention people noticing you when they pull out of junctions. Go too fast and they won't see you, and even if they do see you, there's a difference between seeing someone and assessing their speed.
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