Bloodhound LSR Thread As Requested...
Discussion
Surely the people with points to make can just ignore the people who stir things up, it's not hard really, just avoid the need to stoke it.
It is indeed cheap for a car, but minus engines and the like maybe not. I doubt RR would loan a runner and a spare to a Yank for instance!
Am again wondering why Richard is distancing himself.
It is indeed cheap for a car, but minus engines and the like maybe not. I doubt RR would loan a runner and a spare to a Yank for instance!
Am again wondering why Richard is distancing himself.
mcdjl said:
The answer to 1 possibly lies in not wanting to be seen to kill it/how much they can be persuaded that the education aspect is still worth while (which would then involve someone keeping all of that going) vs the cost of re-engineering using a different engine (not cheap/easy)
The second by the sound of it would find enthusiasm but require lot of goodwill trades guarantees i suspect....would you go back under the right conditions?
IIRC the eduction side is a separate company and is still trading. Not sure what its funds flows are now, but even so it was explicitly not included in the administration.The second by the sound of it would find enthusiasm but require lot of goodwill trades guarantees i suspect....would you go back under the right conditions?
I became a sponsor of the Bloodhound project after reading this thread by In5ight. I have been fortunate enough to visit the production facility, see the “beast” and talk to the engineers involved.
The project is a combination of calculating or estimating the unknown and building using known, reliable, tested components where possible. This has been the same approach as all previous WLSR holders. Lessons are learned from this approach each time and add to mankind’s knowledge.
The changes in governments priority for vehicle propulsion for the future have only really accelerated in the last 4 yrs and there is no guarantee they will remain the same going forward. This project could not have anticipated the speed of this policy change.
Rocket technology and control are still a growing project and it will be a very long time before electricity can put anything into orbit.
There seem to be a few ‘experts’ on here commenting on this groundbreaking project in a negative manner. They obviously have differing levels of knowledge of the various challenges involved in attempting to break 1000mph on land. The fact that the project has financial difficulties is obvious and the reasons for that difficulty are clearly subjective. However, the project commenced with unknown costs due to the fact the technical challenges were also unknown until the calculations/research was competed by the project. It has always been a hand-to-mouth project and the changes in advertising spend by businesses could not have been predicted 10 years ago. The last 8 to 12 months have also seen businesses/individuals increasingly reluctant to spend cash due to Brexit unknowns.
Some have suggested they would spend their lottery winnings on supporting Bloodhound, but when it came to writing the cheque their feet would feel like blocks of ice. £25 million is a lot of money how ever rich you are. It would buy investments to make most of us wealthy for life.
I suspect it would be possible to increase the LSR on a much smaller amount of money but to get to the magic 1000mph would be costly. If the project is to be rescued it will need substantial guaranteed funds or the existing sponsors/equipment suppliers will probably withdraw their support.
It is such a shame that the last few posts on this topic have been so negative and I hope the moderators refrain from locking the topic due to a few argumentative individuals spoiling it for the rest of us who are interested in the project.
The project is a combination of calculating or estimating the unknown and building using known, reliable, tested components where possible. This has been the same approach as all previous WLSR holders. Lessons are learned from this approach each time and add to mankind’s knowledge.
The changes in governments priority for vehicle propulsion for the future have only really accelerated in the last 4 yrs and there is no guarantee they will remain the same going forward. This project could not have anticipated the speed of this policy change.
Rocket technology and control are still a growing project and it will be a very long time before electricity can put anything into orbit.
There seem to be a few ‘experts’ on here commenting on this groundbreaking project in a negative manner. They obviously have differing levels of knowledge of the various challenges involved in attempting to break 1000mph on land. The fact that the project has financial difficulties is obvious and the reasons for that difficulty are clearly subjective. However, the project commenced with unknown costs due to the fact the technical challenges were also unknown until the calculations/research was competed by the project. It has always been a hand-to-mouth project and the changes in advertising spend by businesses could not have been predicted 10 years ago. The last 8 to 12 months have also seen businesses/individuals increasingly reluctant to spend cash due to Brexit unknowns.
Some have suggested they would spend their lottery winnings on supporting Bloodhound, but when it came to writing the cheque their feet would feel like blocks of ice. £25 million is a lot of money how ever rich you are. It would buy investments to make most of us wealthy for life.
I suspect it would be possible to increase the LSR on a much smaller amount of money but to get to the magic 1000mph would be costly. If the project is to be rescued it will need substantial guaranteed funds or the existing sponsors/equipment suppliers will probably withdraw their support.
It is such a shame that the last few posts on this topic have been so negative and I hope the moderators refrain from locking the topic due to a few argumentative individuals spoiling it for the rest of us who are interested in the project.
slartibartfast said:
14 said:
If no one accurately guesses as to why Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos wouldn’t sponsor Bloodhound by 11:30 am, I’ll say why.
It's 15:00, spill the beans 
IN51GHT said:
slartibartfast said:
14 said:
If no one accurately guesses as to why Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos wouldn’t sponsor Bloodhound by 11:30 am, I’ll say why.
It's 15:00, spill the beans 
Storer said:
I became a sponsor of the Bloodhound project after reading this thread by In5ight. I have been fortunate enough to visit the production facility, see the “beast” and talk to the engineers involved.
That's great to hear, thank you.The marketing "experts" were constantly telling me I should not be posting this thread & it was of no value, would bring no revenue etc etc.
I know they read this thread too.
I would like to say thank you to Insight for his posts on this thread, and think its incredibly sad that with all the work him and the team have put in, and with initial runs already complete, the project never gets to see what it can really do.
And while some might think its a white elephant, or waste of money, it has encouraged a lot of interest in science, in engineering, and pushing forward engineering knowledge is always important at some point.
Aside from everything else, a 1000mph car is simply cool. Its something which will only be broken once for the first time, in the same way that the sound barrier was only broken once the first time, and the names and companies who managed it were written into the history books
And while some might think its a white elephant, or waste of money, it has encouraged a lot of interest in science, in engineering, and pushing forward engineering knowledge is always important at some point.
Aside from everything else, a 1000mph car is simply cool. Its something which will only be broken once for the first time, in the same way that the sound barrier was only broken once the first time, and the names and companies who managed it were written into the history books
IN51GHT said:
Storer said:
I became a sponsor of the Bloodhound project after reading this thread by In5ight. I have been fortunate enough to visit the production facility, see the “beast” and talk to the engineers involved.
That's great to hear, thank you.The marketing "experts" were constantly telling me I should not be posting this thread & it was of no value, would bring no revenue etc etc.
I know they read this thread too.
Thanks
I'm wondering how much of the £25million is needed in actual money? Certainly for salaries of those directly involved, but much of the hardware and overheads could be covered by companies donating for free. Makes a list of everything needed, and then go seeking companied who would donate. Shipping the whole lot to SA for instance, I'm sure a huge shipping company could move a few containers for nowt. Adopt that marketing strategy, and the project could possibly continue.
Question for insight
In your opinion, is the stated 25m required to get the car to 1000mph accurate? Or is that another budget which would be completely blown trying to get there?
For my part. I think it’s a crying shame it perhaps won’t complete it. I was behind this from the beginning as a 1k club member and also signed up for my daughters name on the fin. She was really excited about the whole thing. We went to visit in the early days at Bristol wasn’t it? She couldn’t wait to see it succeed. That was probably about 6 yrs ago now. I haven’t had the heart to tell her about this yet although I think she has now forgotten it even existed!
In your opinion, is the stated 25m required to get the car to 1000mph accurate? Or is that another budget which would be completely blown trying to get there?
For my part. I think it’s a crying shame it perhaps won’t complete it. I was behind this from the beginning as a 1k club member and also signed up for my daughters name on the fin. She was really excited about the whole thing. We went to visit in the early days at Bristol wasn’t it? She couldn’t wait to see it succeed. That was probably about 6 yrs ago now. I haven’t had the heart to tell her about this yet although I think she has now forgotten it even existed!
mini me said:
Question for insight
In your opinion, is the stated 25m required to get the car to 1000mph accurate? Or is that another budget which would be completely blown trying to get there?
For my part. I think it’s a crying shame it perhaps won’t complete it. I was behind this from the beginning as a 1k club member and also signed up for my daughters name on the fin. She was really excited about the whole thing. We went to visit in the early days at Bristol wasn’t it? She couldn’t wait to see it succeed. That was probably about 6 yrs ago now. I haven’t had the heart to tell her about this yet although I think she has now forgotten it even existed!
I suspect it is very much a worst case figure, assuming everything has to be paid for & that nothing is donated. Knowing those involved in the process over the last few weeks, they would not have wanted to come up short again.In your opinion, is the stated 25m required to get the car to 1000mph accurate? Or is that another budget which would be completely blown trying to get there?
For my part. I think it’s a crying shame it perhaps won’t complete it. I was behind this from the beginning as a 1k club member and also signed up for my daughters name on the fin. She was really excited about the whole thing. We went to visit in the early days at Bristol wasn’t it? She couldn’t wait to see it succeed. That was probably about 6 yrs ago now. I haven’t had the heart to tell her about this yet although I think she has now forgotten it even existed!
I guess the 25 million ‘headline’ figure is subject to eating by inflation as well. So the figure is actually quite ‘fluid’. In a p1$$ed moment last night, I had a mad idea. De- mothball SSC, build in a couple of carefully measured SRBs, one for the out, and one for the back ( reducing the complexity), and go for it. We know SSC can get to supersonic without exploding, and Andy Green has got balls the size of steintökin. Why not?
IN51GHT said:
I suspect it is very much a worst case figure, assuming everything has to be paid for & that nothing is donated. Knowing those involved in the process over the last few weeks, they would not have wanted to come up short again.
The flip side is it sounds like such a large amount of money, and history is littered with cost over-runs, that it may have scared many away?skwdenyer said:
IN51GHT said:
I suspect it is very much a worst case figure, assuming everything has to be paid for & that nothing is donated. Knowing those involved in the process over the last few weeks, they would not have wanted to come up short again.
The flip side is it sounds like such a large amount of money, and history is littered with cost over-runs, that it may have scared many away?GOATever said:
In a p1$$ed moment last night, I had a mad idea. De- mothball SSC, build in a couple of carefully measured SRBs, one for the out, and one for the back ( reducing the complexity), and go for it. We know SSC can get to supersonic without exploding, and Andy Green has got balls the size of steintökin. Why not?
I imagine that there would be a certain amount of yaw to worry about with that setup. Worth a bash though eh. For the hell of it! mini me said:
I imagine that there would be a certain amount of yaw to worry about with that setup. Worth a bash though eh. For the hell of it!
Andy said the car wandered about 50 feet off line as the airflow under SSC went supersonic, and the airflow above was matching it. 90 degrees of steering lock at 763 mph couldn’t have been much fun. But he did get it home, so Kudos there 
.I’m pretty sure I remember reading that the wheel tracks also disappeared at some points along the track, indicating that it had pretty much left the ground at several points 
Shame it looks like we won’t get any such anecdotes about bloodhound. Not hearing much more news about it.
Shame it looks like we won’t get any such anecdotes about bloodhound. Not hearing much more news about it.
Edited by mini me on Thursday 13th December 18:29
Edited by mini me on Thursday 13th December 19:18
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