Winter tyres vol 2

Winter tyres vol 2

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JagXJR

1,261 posts

77 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Skinley said:
I've driven literally hundreds of vehicles throughout the last twenty five winters, none of them have been equipped with winter tyres, I'm not dead and I have no incidents to report.smile
Perhaps you don't drive somewhere hilly? Or don't go out much?

I live in a very hilly place, grinds to a halt when it snows.

Perhaps we should drape big banners on our cars in snow stating "winter Tyres fitted", that way when we sail by the cars skating around getting stuck we wont look like knobs?

Fox-

13,158 posts

194 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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I think the more prudent investment for everyone this winter would have been a roof rack and a canoe. Would have been genuinely more useful, sadly.

Lucas Ayde

2,111 posts

116 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Fox- said:
I think the more prudent investment for everyone this winter would have been a roof rack and a canoe. Would have been genuinely more useful, sadly.
Yep .. the flipside of all the wind/rain coming in from the Atlantic is that temperatures have stayed relatively high (for Winter). Apart from a cold snap early-mid November there have not been many days to justify Winter tyre use yet.

Hideaway

166 posts

72 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Lucas Ayde said:
Yep .. the flipside of all the wind/rain coming in from the Atlantic is that temperatures have stayed relatively high (for Winter). Apart from a cold snap early-mid November there have not been many days to justify Winter tyre use yet.
Except almost every day where it has been less than 7c in the mornings.

JagXJR

1,261 posts

77 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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During the recent monsoon season I have driven through some large puddles, my summer tyres would have tugged the steering and perhaps aquaplaned, my Winters (cheapest dealer had) just sliced through. So the Summer tyre advocate's arguments don't hold water (sic)

I had to buy new tyres in November so the decision to put Winters on made sense and I have not regretted it since. Others circumstances may be different.

tenohfive

6,276 posts

130 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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JagXJR said:
During the recent monsoon season I have driven through some large puddles, my summer tyres would have tugged the steering and perhaps aquaplaned, my Winters (cheapest dealer had) just sliced through. So the Summer tyre advocate's arguments don't hold water (sic)
Don't get me wrong - I'm thoroughly impressed by the performance of my Sottozero 3's in big puddles, including at motorway speeds - but there are summer tyres that have just as good aquaplaning performance.

Edited by tenohfive on Sunday 5th January 12:52

FurtiveFreddy

8,132 posts

185 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Skinley said:
I've driven literally hundreds of vehicles throughout the last twenty five winters, none of them have been equipped with winter tyres, I'm not dead and I have no incidents to report.smile
Well, this thread isn't for you then.

Gtom

720 posts

80 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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I fitted winters on the other half's car (gt radial winter pro's). I was told by someone on here that I had compromised her safety because I had not fitted the best there was. They seem to be doing a lot better than the uniroyal rain experts that came off so I think they will stay on all year round.

Also the vredestien's I fitted on my car seem to have settled in now although I find it a bit strange because they are part worns.

Hideaway

166 posts

72 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Gtom said:
I fitted winters on the other half's car (gt radial winter pro's). I was told by someone on here that I had compromised her safety because I had not fitted the best there was. They seem to be doing a lot better than the uniroyal rain experts that came off so I think they will stay on all year round.

Also the vredestien's I fitted on my car seem to have settled in now although I find it a bit strange because they are part worns.
You wont be saying that in the summer when its like driving on jelly. (re all year round)

J4CKO

28,586 posts

148 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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It isnt going to snow, certainly not here in South Manchester, 8c and drizzle, like the rest of the year.

If by some miracle it does and the roads dont get cleared in 24 hours, I just wont go anywhere.

Fox-

13,158 posts

194 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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JagXJR said:
During the recent monsoon season I have driven through some large puddles, my summer tyres would have tugged the steering and perhaps aquaplaned, my Winters (cheapest dealer had) just sliced through. So the Summer tyre advocate's arguments don't hold water (sic)
Thats a bit misleading, what you really mean is that the particular summer tyre you previously had would have done that. I've not had the same issue with my summer tyres but thats because I select summer tyres with particularly good aquaplaning performance. Over the past month through all the moonsoons I honestly think the Eagle F1 Assymetric 2's I've got fitted are unquestionably the best performing tyre I could have fitted right now.

HustleRussell

17,126 posts

108 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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JagXJR said:
During the recent monsoon season I have driven through some large puddles, my summer tyres would have tugged the steering and perhaps aquaplaned, my Winters (cheapest dealer had) just sliced through. So the Summer tyre advocate's arguments don't hold water
I use summer tyres. That said, regardless of what tyres are fitted, I wouldn't be ploughing through standing water at sufficient speed for the car to get anywhere close to aqua planing. In my area, over the past 7 years, summer tyres are adequate for me 99-100% of the year provided I drive to the conditions.

jamieduff1981

7,189 posts

88 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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I've just been from north of Aberdeen to the SW corner of Wales and back between Christmas and New Year on my relatively new winter tyres. They're good, but they're not as good in standing water at motorway speeds as my summer tyres are. I even had to slow down a bit. The high quality summer tyres will definately go back on when the weather warms up again.

FurtiveFreddy

8,132 posts

185 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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HustleRussell said:
I use summer tyres. That said, regardless of what tyres are fitted, I wouldn't be ploughing through standing water at sufficient speed for the car to get anywhere close to aqua planing. In my area, over the past 7 years, summer tyres are adequate for me 99-100% of the year provided I drive to the conditions.
I doubt many road drivers who have experienced aquaplaning were deliberately seeking out standing water at high speed.

Aquaplaning can occur at relatively low speeds in flash-flood conditions on a motorway, for instance, especially with low-profile 'sporty' tyres on a light car.

For the past 3 years, I had all weather tyres fitted all year round. They were especially good in winter slush and standing water. When you come across an unexpected pool of standing water, tyres such as those give you a much larger margin of safety, even if you're being careful in the first place.

dtmpower

3,971 posts

193 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Watching a recent Tesla video from Norway. The owner complained of highway road noise, then he goes on to reveal the studded winter tyres that he was using accounted for most of it. During the video he did encounter snow / ice. Given he was driving a clear city road on studs, then what's to stop UK motorists doing the same. I'll link the video of anyone's interested ?

FiF

36,239 posts

199 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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dtmpower said:
Watching a recent Tesla video from Norway. The owner complained of highway road noise, then he goes on to reveal the studded winter tyres that he was using accounted for most of it. During the video he did encounter snow / ice. Given he was driving a clear city road on studs, then what's to stop UK motorists doing the same. I'll link the video of anyone's interested ?
And the relevance to this in the UK is what exactly? Anyone n UK would be daft to use them except in very extreme conditions and well north of the borders with Scotland I'd argue. This is still the case despite the fact that modern road use studded tyres, as opposed to the porcupine competition stuff, are designed to run for a significant % of their life on clear cold roads.

Scandinavia where studded tyres are far more common and in some areas are really the best choice. They are really of most use on ice, and especially in those circumstances where roads are generally clear but suffer from snow which has melted during the day and then the run off has frozen late afternoon leaving icy patches for the unwary, mid bend frequently.


john2443

4,487 posts

159 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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dtmpower said:
Watching a recent Tesla video from Norway. The owner complained of highway road noise, then he goes on to reveal the studded winter tyres that he was using accounted for most of it. During the video he did encounter snow / ice. Given he was driving a clear city road on studs, then what's to stop UK motorists doing the same. I'll link the video of anyone's interested ?
I believe that studded tyres aren't legal in the UK, that's quite a good reason!

Also I think that studs gradually fall out of the tyres, if you were to use them all the time they might all have gone by the time it snows.

HustleRussell

17,126 posts

108 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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FurtiveFreddy said:
I doubt many road drivers who have experienced aquaplaning were deliberately seeking out standing water at high speed.

Aquaplaning can occur at relatively low speeds in flash-flood conditions on a motorway, for instance, especially with low-profile 'sporty' tyres on a light car.

For the past 3 years, I had all weather tyres fitted all year round. They were especially good in winter slush and standing water. When you come across an unexpected pool of standing water, tyres such as those give you a much larger margin of safety, even if you're being careful in the first place.
Generally speaking, you need to be travelling at speeds of 40-50mph+ to aquaplane. I wouldn't do 50mph through a flash flood. If you are driving to sight lines, there should be zero chance of suddenly encountering standing water at vaguely aqua-planey speeds.
I have no doubt all seasons/winters provide a greater margin of safety though.

Gtom

720 posts

80 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Hideaway said:
You wont be saying that in the summer when its like driving on jelly. (re all year round)
Well seeing as my dad's vauxhall combo and my mums corsa have both run winters all year round without any hassle and still driving nice (for what they are anyway) I think we will be just fine.

I don't think she has got a track day at donnington booked so the most taxing thing will be the 4 miles she drives to work at 30mph. Hardly pushing a car to its limits.

Hideaway

166 posts

72 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Gtom said:
Well seeing as my dad's vauxhall combo and my mums corsa have both run winters all year round without any hassle and still driving nice (for what they are anyway) I think we will be just fine.

I don't think she has got a track day at donnington booked so the most taxing thing will be the 4 miles she drives to work at 30mph. Hardly pushing a car to its limits.
expect significantly increased wear.