Winter tyres vol 2

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Fox-

13,233 posts

246 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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DailyHack said:
5am, slimy wet road, I doubt it
Without knowing what the car is and therefore what is likely to be fitted I can't say much more, but I'd be amazed if a winter tyre of any description pulled up shorter than something like a Pilot Sport 4S, CSC 6 or F1 Assymetric 3 in those conditions.

Fox-

13,233 posts

246 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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jon- said:
Fox-, have you considered the CrossClimates? Small dry braking penalty but night and day ahead of any summer in the snow and ice. The wear rates is really strong too.
Sadly not available as a Star marked tyre in the relevant sizes and I'll have brand new summer tyres anyway which I'm loath to replace until they wear out on the factory wheels.

I still sort of favour the two-sets solution as its a long term purchase and the cost difference will iron itself out...

tjlees

1,382 posts

237 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Fox- said:
DailyHack said:
5am, slimy wet road, I doubt it
Without knowing what the car is and therefore what is likely to be fitted I can't say much more, but I'd be amazed if a winter tyre of any description pulled up shorter than something like a Pilot Sport 4S, CSC 6 or F1 Assymetric 3 in those conditions.
Mainly temp dependant in those conditions - at 10c good summers are better than good winters on wet roads.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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tjlees said:
Fox- said:
DailyHack said:
5am, slimy wet road, I doubt it
Without knowing what the car is and therefore what is likely to be fitted I can't say much more, but I'd be amazed if a winter tyre of any description pulled up shorter than something like a Pilot Sport 4S, CSC 6 or F1 Assymetric 3 in those conditions.
Mainly temp dependant in those conditions - at 10c good summers are better than good winters on wet roads.
Hmm.. uniroyal rainsport3s last 2 winters, winter tyres and wheels have sat unused in garage
If I was up in Tayside permanently it may have been different though...

DailyHack

3,165 posts

111 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Sylvaforever said:
Hmm.. uniroyal rainsport3s last 2 winters, winter tyres and wheels have sat unused in garage
If I was up in Tayside permanently it may have been different though...
What are the Uniroyal Rainexperts like?

Mrs DailyHack needs new rubber on her Mini, these are very cheap on her 175/15's?

Don't think she will need full stack winters on this thing.

Fox-

13,233 posts

246 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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DailyHack said:
these are very cheap on her 175/15's?
Everything is very cheap on 175/15's!

Mr Tidy

22,262 posts

127 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Fox- said:
However this time around the story is a bit different. The wheels we have do not fit the new model Mini and the only available 15” size is fairly horrible looking. So, we’d opt for a set of 16 inch MINI Winter wheels and this brings with it a tyre cost increase – we’re looking at about £1k for a set this time which seems rather more expensive and stops it being the ‘well why not’ that it was last time.

Hmmmmm.
Just a thought, but it might be worth having a trawl through one or two sites dedicated to Minis for some used wheels.

I got a set of 18inch rims with virtually new Falken Winter tyres for my Z4 for £350 off a site focussed on Z4s. thumbup

DailyHack

3,165 posts

111 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Fox- said:
Everything is very cheap on 175/15's!
yes there are, brilliant really smile so cheap in fact the last owner put "Landsails on the front" - need to ged rid of these asap! Who would do that, when any brand under the sun at this size is less that £60 a corner frown

Edited by DailyHack on Thursday 26th October 11:32


Edited by DailyHack on Thursday 26th October 11:35

caterhamboy

568 posts

198 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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DailyHack said:
What are the Uniroyal Rainexperts like?

Mrs DailyHack needs new rubber on her Mini, these are very cheap on her 175/15's?

Don't think she will need full stack winters on this thing.
We've got rainexpert 3's on our clubman, they replaced continental premium contacts. In light rain i would say the conti's have the edge but in standing water or heavy rain and greasy conditions with doubt the uniroyals are better.

Only down side was handling not as sharp but ride does improve.

The fronts are about ready to be replaced after 9500 miles and the rears look about 1/3rd worn so happy with wear rate.

Dog Star

16,129 posts

168 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Some Toyo Snowproxes have arrived this week - I'm off to get them fitted this afternoon.

The OH actually got them for me as she was seriously flapping after our crash last year, and we also have an Xmas trip to Germany.

ncjones

256 posts

215 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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I had winter tyres the last two winters, but have just sold them due to a change of car and don't intend to buy replacements.

They were Nokian DR4s and were great in the wet and snow. When I researched tyres I was surprised how many had quite a poor wet road rating. Surely this is they key thing for UK winter use?

They were really reassuring on the several very wet journeys we made, often late at night, from Devon to Cumbria. On two trips to the Alps (the main reason for running them) we didn't hit any severe weather and I'm pretty sure summers would have been fine, possibly needing autosocks to get into the car park.

Bought for £320 in spring (8mm tread, unmarked wheels) just sold for £300 (4/5mm tread, unmarked) so financially a no brainer.

Ordered snowsocks for my new car 225/35R19, suspect I may struggle to get sensible sized winter wheels that would fit anyway and not driving to the Alps this winter. I predict a harsh UK winter!


matthias73

2,883 posts

150 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Bring on the snow!!!!
We all need reassurance that out choices have been sensible investments..

Dog Star

16,129 posts

168 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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matthias73 said:
Bring on the snow!!!!
We all need reassurance that out choices have been sensible investments..
I didn't get them for snow - it's horrible greasiness and standing water where I personally think they are so much more surefooted.
For the first time in a long while I didn't get them last year due to 19" being expensive, and I wrote off an almost new Merc when it just speared off across the motorway into a barrier head on at 70mph - totally my own fault for driving too fast for conditions on a car with big daft tyres, however I am 100% certain that winter tyres would not have done this, and I wouldn't have been a victim of my own stupidity.

The OH has insisted I get them - and she's even paid for them....


Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Where's the best source for winter tyre reviews?

matthias73

2,883 posts

150 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Glad you're okay.

That's why i normally run ran sport 3s. In the greasy, wet and leaf covered roads we usually have I'm confident they'll work. Warm weather performance is irrelevant, mostly.

However I bought winter tyres because I'm taking my e46 snowboarding this year.

Convertible 330i on a ski slope anybody smash

Edited by matthias73 on Friday 27th October 12:01

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

98 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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"When I researched tyres I was surprised how many had quite a poor wet road rating. Surely this is they key thing for UK winter use?"

Indeed, my toyo t888 have the same wet grip as many top line winters....well according to the lying label anyway...

jon-

16,505 posts

216 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Sylvaforever said:
Where's the best source for winter tyre reviews?
Auto Express published a nice test a few weeks ago, but this is by far the most thorough winter tyre test from this year

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Bil...

C7 JFW

1,205 posts

219 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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jon- said:
Auto Express published a nice test a few weeks ago, but this is by far the most thorough winter tyre test from this year

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Bil...
I'm surprised how close so many of them are.

RichardM5

1,736 posts

136 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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jon- said:
Auto Express published a nice test a few weeks ago, but this is by far the most thorough winter tyre test from this year

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Bil...
I’m surprised how badly the Pirelli Sottozeros did.

jon-

16,505 posts

216 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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C7 JFW said:
jon- said:
Auto Express published a nice test a few weeks ago, but this is by far the most thorough winter tyre test from this year

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Bil...
I'm surprised how close so many of them are.
The top tyres are getting very close objectively. I'd imagine from experience that even if the numbers are small between the tyres on test, the subjectively handling and controllability will be quite different between the best and worst.