Winter tyres vol 2

[ZiggyNiva]

Advice needed.

Having spent years switching between summers and winters I would really like to move to all seasons. My one remaining concern is I do 3000 miles a year driving to Italy and back on the autobahn in the middle of summer fully loaded.
I'm pretty confident the cross climates would be fine for this, however having run full winters previously would be irritated if I then got stuck come winter time.
So how would the Goodyear, Continental or Nokian all seasons cope with this. Just how bad will wear be? I know most tests go into dry breaking, but would a fully loaded car have more of an effect on a winter biased all season then a summer (can't think why it would, but just curious)?

All opinions welcome

Thank you

Ziggy

[Barchettaman]

Tricky one to answer, Ziggy!

Tyrereviews.co.uk showed wear rates for all-season tyres, maybe this would be of use:

[jon-]

ZiggyNiva said:

Advice needed.

Having spent years switching between summers and winters I would really like to move to all seasons. My one remaining concern is I do 3000 miles a year driving to Italy and back on the autobahn in the middle of summer fully loaded.
I'm pretty confident the cross climates would be fine for this, however having run full winters previously would be irritated if I then got stuck come winter time.
So how would the Goodyear, Continental or Nokian all seasons cope with this. Just how bad will wear be? I know most tests go into dry breaking, but would a fully loaded car have more of an effect on a winter biased all season then a summer (can't think why it would, but just curious)?

All opinions welcome

Thank you

Ziggy

Of the tyres mentioned, the CrossClimate would be the best choice, based on this test which tests all the tyres at new, 4mm and 2mm.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/New-VS-4mm-VS...

[ZiggyNiva]

jon- said:

Of the tyres mentioned, the CrossClimate would be the best choice, based on this test which tests all the tyres at new, 4mm and 2mm.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/New-VS-4mm-VS...

Thank you Jon,

Not seen that test before that is exactly what I needed.

Cheers again

[ZiggyNiva]

Barchettaman said:

Tricky one to answer, Ziggy!

Tyrereviews.co.uk showed wear rates for all-season tyres, maybe this would be of use:

Sorry missed this.

Thank you

[Gandahar]

Also, in regard to

"I'm pretty confident the cross climates would be fine for this, however having run full winters previously would be irritated if I then got stuck come winter time."

You probably would not get stuck even on the Cross climates in lots of snow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0zyQh2l3M


unless conditions were really bad.

They make a nice calming thrummy noise as they drive along.

Bad sides are

1. Pick up a lot of stones
2. Perhaps more susceptible to cuts????

Still a game changer I think.

[Gandahar]

Proper winter from a friend in Siberia



He has to have automatic start and heating of the car throughout the night, hence the low mpg.

Didn't mention the tyres, full winters of some sort, but did say at those temps the suspension gets hard so very crashy on the way to work ...

Gulp.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 30th January 09:18

[tenohfive]

Gandahar said:

Proper winter from a friend in Siberia



He has to have automatic start and heating of the car throughout the night, hence the low mpg.

Didn't mention the tyres, full winters of some sort, but did say at those temps the suspension gets hard so very crashy on the way to work ...

Gulp.

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 30th January 09:18

Pah. Seen it all before on dozens of Vauxhalls. I mean, the home counties regularly hits -37 right?

[big alpha male]

I drive all year round on cheap Riken winter tyres, I've never had any problems

Yes, you don't have the grip of summer tyres in the rain, but I'm never driving flat out around corners where I need maximum grip , so winter tyres during the summer are fine for me.

I don't have the expense of buying spare wheels or having to pay for tyres to be changed over

[jon-]

Anyone fancy a free demonstration of winter tyres at Mercedes Benz world this week?

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/car/media-serv...

[fido]

jon- said:

Anyone fancy a free demonstration of winter tyres at Mercedes Benz world this week?

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/car/media-serv...

Great timing .. just as winter is coming to a close (according to my inaccurate predictions!)

[DailyHack]

big alpha male said:

I drive all year round on cheap Riken winter tyres, I've never had any problems

Yes, you don't have the grip of summer tyres in the rain, but I'm never driving flat out around corners where I need maximum grip , so winter tyres during the summer are fine for me.

I don't have the expense of buying spare wheels or having to pay for tyres to be changed over

+1 for Rikens - Have these on my 3 series, been superb in snow/rain/dry weather since last October, still plenty of meat on them after 15k miles - will be swapping back to my summers in March mind, save them for end of year again.

[RicksAlfas]

jon- said:

Anyone fancy a free demonstration of winter tyres at Mercedes Benz world this week?

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/car/media-serv...

Thanks for the invite Jon, but I can't make it. I do have a Mercedes on Continental winter tyres though, so I'm halfway there!

[Wills2]

My Hankook winters are huge disappointment in the snow even small amounts last time I buy cheaper tyres, they couldn't even cope with the below, just sat there spinning the wheels.

[RicksAlfas]

Have you tried going up backwards?

[Wills2]

RicksAlfas said:

Have you tried going up backwards?

I'd driven into the yard the night before, so had to reverse j turn to the position you see there from a flat part of the yard to the left of the picture, the surface is awkward and steep you can slip a bit even in the dry but they gave no traction, I'm reversing in now as the run up is flatter.

We had a similar amount on Monday morning but thankfully I'd reversed in and had the 10ft of clear tarmac under the car to get a start in 2nd and just rolled up on the snow.

[xcseventy]

Seriously impressed by my Cooper Weather Master SA2s.

This was from the weekend, and about 2 miles down a dirt track, with approx 3-4" of fresh snow on top. Not one issue with traction at all (AWD of course helped here as well) When I got to the road, I was the first car along and never had any issues here as well. Felt very safe.

[jon-]

Wills2 said:

My Hankook winters are huge disappointment in the snow even small amounts last time I buy cheaper tyres, they couldn't even cope with the below, just sat there spinning the wheels.

That looks really steep on compacted snow / ice?

There are physics limits to European winter tyres, I'm not sure anything else without studs would have got you there, assuming the Hankooks are a recent pattern and have good tread depth.

[RicksAlfas]

jon- said:

That looks really steep on compacted snow / ice?

You're not from round here are you?

[Wills2]

jon- said:

That looks really steep on compacted snow / ice?

There are physics limits to European winter tyres, I'm not sure anything else without studs would have got you there, assuming the Hankooks are a recent pattern and have good tread depth.

No ice Jon, yes it's steep and it was slippy, I expected to slip and slide my way up managing the available traction setting off in 2nd etc...but it wouldn't budge an inch.

I brushed the snow away behind the car as you can see in the picture dropped it back and then it got out.

I've run winters for the last 10 years on all my previous cars but always put on Michelin PA and have driven off that drive with 6 inches of snow on it, I'm a fan of winter tyres they have saved me many times but not these Hankooks.

But I guess not all snow is equal.

Edited by Wills2 on Wednesday 14th February 12:08