Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
f1nn said:
98% of the driving public don't see the point, and even if they could they wouldn't go to the extra expense. The remaining 2% buy winter tyres, come on Pistonheads and try to convince the other 98% why they need winter tyres.
Repeat every Autumn.
That about covers it doesn't it?
5 years on, nothing has changedRepeat every Autumn.
That about covers it doesn't it?
popeyewhite said:
I was wondering what you expected to find in the lower half of 0-5 secs to 60?
I don't make the rules. 0-5 seconds is one of the options in autotrader's search options for acceleration. The next category up is 0-8 seconds. It's crap. The sleeper comment was because it looks not a lot different from the slow V40s.mstrbkr said:
Polestar V40 T6? Bit of a sleeper I think. I had no idea until this week that they had 345 bhp. Came up when I was searching for body type = estate, 0-60 = 0-5 seconds.
V60 T6 Yeah bit of a Sleeper. 6 pot brembos Ohlins suspension and 4 wheel drive 360bhp standard this is about 385bhp so a fun car 😁Jimboka said:
f1nn said:
98% of the driving public don't see the point, and even if they could they wouldn't go to the extra expense. The remaining 2% buy winter tyres, come on Pistonheads and try to convince the other 98% why they need winter tyres.
Repeat every Autumn.
That about covers it doesn't it?
5 years on, nothing has changedRepeat every Autumn.
That about covers it doesn't it?
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
Jimboka said:
f1nn said:
98% of the driving public don't see the point, and even if they could they wouldn't go to the extra expense. The remaining 2% buy winter tyres, come on Pistonheads and try to convince the other 98% why they need winter tyres.
Repeat every Autumn.
That about covers it doesn't it?
5 years on, nothing has changedRepeat every Autumn.
That about covers it doesn't it?
Pica-Pica said:
I constantly irritate my wife by glancing and even bending down to look at other cars’ tyres’ tread patterns. I rarely see winter tyres - the occasional all-seasons, and all-terrain tyres on local farmers’ pick-ups - but rarely winters.
I am the same 
but, in the last two years at least, I have seen alot more cars with winter rubber on, and my friend and local mechanic/tyre fitter says he has seen a massive increase in people buying winter tyres at his place. He stocks (Evergreen & Maxxis winter tyres) not my choice of brand, but he's selling ALOT!
So it is definitely gaining "traction" up here in Cheshire (sorry terrible pun)
It's funny how ture attitude varies so much. On one hand you'll see an old Focus or Clio or similar wearing premium winter tyres then you'll see something like a BMW 535d sat on nigh on bald budget tyres. I honestly cannot believe how lax the UK is when it comes to tyres and given the huge difference they make to how a car drives and stops, it's mind blowing that insurers don't care what you put on. BMW 140i running Triangles at 2mm, in winter... no problem sir, you crack on.
Davie said:
It's funny how ture attitude varies so much. On one hand you'll see an old Focus or Clio or similar wearing premium winter tyres then you'll see something like a BMW 535d sat on nigh on bald budget tyres. I honestly cannot believe how lax the UK is when it comes to tyres and given the huge difference they make to how a car drives and stops, it's mind blowing that insurers don't care what you put on. BMW 140i running Triangles at 2mm, in winter... no problem sir, you crack on.
Not just insurers, you'd think the transport secretary would be on the case making sure people had quality tyres on. At the very least it should be mandatory for vehicles over 3.5 ton to be on winters.If they dropped the VAT to 5% on all season tyres they’d be on half the nations cars within three years. I think the savings would be huge for the insurance industry and the treasury. Loads more people would get to work and the nation wouldn’t grind completely to a halt when hit by three inches of snow.
mstrbkr said:
Davie said:
It's funny how ture attitude varies so much. On one hand you'll see an old Focus or Clio or similar wearing premium winter tyres then you'll see something like a BMW 535d sat on nigh on bald budget tyres. I honestly cannot believe how lax the UK is when it comes to tyres and given the huge difference they make to how a car drives and stops, it's mind blowing that insurers don't care what you put on. BMW 140i running Triangles at 2mm, in winter... no problem sir, you crack on.
Not just insurers, you'd think the transport secretary would be on the case making sure people had quality tyres on. At the very least it should be mandatory for vehicles over 3.5 ton to be on winters.I don't think it needs to be weather akin to the Alps nor should we all be forced to put enter tyres on but when was the 1.6mm over 3/4 of the tyre law introduced? Back when we all ran tyres that were 175/70/13? Now, with a lot of cars running 17's and up with huge wide tyres... and given we see a lot of water in this country, that law is surely as outdated as the Highway Code's braking distances. I ran the 225/40/18 Rainsports on her car to 3mm and even at that, it was lethal in the wet.
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
Unless there is some huge climate event that makes the UK experience weather like the Alps every winter it won't happen.
True. For a small country we have massively diverse weather conditions. Around me (West Yorkshire) the police use Goodyear 4 Seasons on their local cars and the supermarket delivery vans swap to winter tyres. You see plenty of private cars on all seasons or winters too. But I would imagine 200 miles south this would not be the case. We will never get a national policy because of it which is why it will have to be an individual choice depending on where you live, when you have to drive and so on. But at the same time cars are getting heavier which balances out the increasing tyre width. Plus manufacturers are getting better and better at maintaing wet weather performance at low tread depths. I think 1.6mm is fine as it stands. There's enough people that fail to change at that depth without increasing it.
jagnet said:
But at the same time cars are getting heavier which balances out the increasing tyre width. Plus manufacturers are getting better and better at maintaing wet weather performance at low tread depths. I think 1.6mm is fine as it stands. There's enough people that fail to change at that depth without increasing it.
Unless you drive to countries where it's 3mm for example or where they have mandatory winter tyres. Of course, local regulations apply although somewhat complicated by requirements varying depending on whether or not there is snow and ice present.
I can see those regulations changing in the future though due to environmental concerns over early disposal of otherwise serviceable tyres. Michelin for example are promoting the snow performance even when worn on their Alpin 6, which is somewhat wasted by regulatory minimum tread depth requirements.
I can see those regulations changing in the future though due to environmental concerns over early disposal of otherwise serviceable tyres. Michelin for example are promoting the snow performance even when worn on their Alpin 6, which is somewhat wasted by regulatory minimum tread depth requirements.
RicksAlfas said:
True. For a small country we have massively diverse weather conditions. Around me (West Yorkshire) the police use Goodyear 4 Seasons on their local cars and the supermarket delivery vans swap to winter tyres. You see plenty of private cars on all seasons or winters too. But I would imagine 200 miles south this would not be the case. We will never get a national policy because of it which is why it will have to be an individual choice depending on where you live, when you have to drive and so on.
Perhaps we don't need a national policy, but if insurance companies begin to see a trend in cars without winter/all-season tyres having more incidents then we might see the market make the first move. This could easily be reflected in your post code too.Evanivitch said:
Perhaps we don't need a national policy, but if insurance companies begin to see a trend in cars without winter/all-season tyres having more incidents then we might see the market make the first move. This could easily be reflected in your post code too.
But if the post code is anything like weather forecast that won’t help. Would the post code be where the accident occurred or where the car was registered? No doubt an algorithm could be generated (or added into existing insurance algorithm).Davie said:
It's funny how ture attitude varies so much. On one hand you'll see an old Focus or Clio or similar wearing premium winter tyres then you'll see something like a BMW 535d sat on nigh on bald budget tyres. I honestly cannot believe how lax the UK is when it comes to tyres and given the huge difference they make to how a car drives and stops, it's mind blowing that insurers don't care what you put on. BMW 140i running Triangles at 2mm, in winter... no problem sir, you crack on.
I accept the argument of the examples above on worn budget tyres. There's another dimension to this which is company cars and firms / leasing companies trying to squeeze costs. Maybe it's better these days since I moved from CC to my own vehicles, but I've certainly presented a company vehicle for new tyres at a point where if it were mine they would have been changed long before only for the lease company preferred tyre supplier to refuse. The tyres were according to my measurements not even 2mm, but his argument that as the 1.6mm wear bars were not quite flush he was wasting his time, so he didn't even measure them.I went to another branch the next week after a bit of (cough) 'activity' on a fairly abrasive surface
and this time they were changed. Complaint to company fleet manager was met with a shrug.Having said that whilst I was in getting them changed there was an Audi in the next bay getting some completely bald tyres removed!
Pica-Pica said:
Evanivitch said:
Perhaps we don't need a national policy, but if insurance companies begin to see a trend in cars without winter/all-season tyres having more incidents then we might see the market make the first move. This could easily be reflected in your post code too.
But if the post code is anything like weather forecast that won’t help. Would the post code be where the accident occurred or where the car was registered? No doubt an algorithm could be generated (or added into existing insurance algorithm).It's a fair point that winter tyres might encourage driving that otherwise wouldn't happen, but only the insurance company data could determine that.
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