Overtake haters

[tonygt3]

Puddenchucker said:

I have no particular problem with being overtaken, just so long as it's done with a reasonable level of observation, consideration and skill.

Unlike this:

That is plain rude, also dangerous as the overtaker has a real lack of spacial awareness.

Noticed today a regular car overtaking, it was so obvious that they had not changed down a gear or two, just floored it in top. Took ages and ended up looking dodgy, I was holding my breath.

[Sensibleboy]

Unfortunately that seems to be common. It's just too much to ask people to drive without coming into conflict with other vehicles. I don't know why. Roads can be totally empty but people can't stay away from other cars. It's amazing.

It appears that once the drivers seat is past the other car it's time to pull back in. Same on motorways too. They have no respect for the visibility or the safety gap that the other driver needs - big vehicles seem to be worse at it too when they need to give a bigger gap before pulling back in.

[Sensibleboy]

Just like this chump last night. Tootling along at 30mph, nice and quiet out and about. 50 yards from where the two lanes merge to a single lane this nugget decides he's going to overtake. I anticipated what was going to happen so I hit the brakes even before he was past. If I hadn't he'd have taken the front end off.

Why can't people stay away from other cars and give them space? We'll all live longer that way.

http://youtu.be/VYcHSWKuQaI

[Ray Luxury-Yacht]

g3org3y said:

Ray Luxury-Yacht said:

Whenever I overtake, I make sure that there is loads of spare road in front of me. I pull into the other lane, go past, and stay in the other lane for a good few seconds before pulling back into the lane, by now at least a good 500 yards in front of the overtaken vehicle.

Agree in principle but at least 500 yards? Are you sure?

At 60mph, your TED before pulling back is 17 seconds!

IME 50-100 yards would be more reasonable.

D'oh...feet! Sorry, I was with wine last night

[anonymous-user]

Some are a bit moody..

Nice straight B road on commute. Range Rover pulls out from sire road. He shouldn't have done, I was a little too close. I could tell he had just left home, vapour from exhausts, doing 30 something in a 60, truck still a bit cold.
Nice clear road, a good safe overtake ensued.

Next, he floors it, the next 5 miles he is so close behind me I cant even see his number plate!

Oh well, his heart attack, not mine

[StottyEvo]

Sensibleboy said:

Just like this chump last night. Tootling along at 30mph, nice and quiet out and about. 50 yards from where the two lanes merge to a single lane this nugget decides he's going to overtake. I anticipated what was going to happen so I hit the brakes even before he was past. If I hadn't he'd have taken the front end off.

Why can't people stay away from other cars and give them space? We'll all live longer that way.

http://youtu.be/VYcHSWKuQaI

You sound like an overtake hater to me He was never ever going to hit you (if there had been a traffic island or something that he had to swerve in for then maybe) he would've just continued over the hatchings until clear. As you say, you were pootling along at 30mph and it looks like he didn't fancy that for the next x amount of miles...

[ferrariF50lover]

g3org3y said:

Agree in principle but at least 500 yards? Are you sure?

At 60mph, your TED before pulling back is 17 seconds!

IME 50-100 yards would be more reasonable.

Surely this would depend upon the difference in speed between the vehicles, rather than just the speed of the overtaker?

Simon.

[All that jazz]

ferrariF50lover said:

g3org3y said:

Agree in principle but at least 500 yards? Are you sure?

At 60mph, your TED before pulling back is 17 seconds!

IME 50-100 yards would be more reasonable.

Surely this would depend upon the difference in speed between the vehicles, rather than just the speed of the overtaker?

Simon.

500 yards is a fking long way whatever speed you're doing. I think Ray probably meant 50 yards or maybe 100 if he really wanted to hang it out.

[kiethton]

The worst around my way for flashing are buses, the double decker variety.

I need to be at the station for 5:50 each morning and am often running late so seem to encounter the same bus doing 25mph daily so I go last (no traffic) so get flashed when I'm back in, what's it with bus drivers!?!?

[Sensibleboy]

StottyEvo said:

You sound like an overtake hater to me He was never ever going to hit you (if there had been a traffic island or something that he had to swerve in for then maybe) he would've just continued over the hatchings until clear. As you say, you were pootling along at 30mph and it looks like he didn't fancy that for the next x amount of miles...

The only reason he didn't pull in closer was I hit the brakes. He was just hoping for the best that I wasn't there alongside. It was a poorly planned manoeuvre all the same.

It's a 30 limit road with a handful of traffic lights and a speed camera along it. If somebody can't overtake without needing the other driver to do something drastic then it's crap driving.

Edited by Sensibleboy on Monday 9th June 06:53

[Pan Pan]

GadgeS3C said:

B'stard Child said:

Drivers these days are becoming lemmings and follow each other like sheep

The art of making safe progress is dying and I'm going to continue to make sure it doesn't die completely.

I'm with you on that - thought it was just my mission.

Many people have been brain washed by various groups including the government, into thinking that if they drive slowly, they are (A)safe, and (B)safe drivers.
Therefore anyone who is going, or wants to go faster than `them' on whatever type of road, must naturally, and can only be the spawn of the devil. who must be shown the error of their ways.
Remember the government hath canted `speed kills' (unfortunately not realizing that that, is a blatent lie, which anyone with a few brain cells can see through, if they were to apply a little thought to the matter, Unfortunately there are many, for whom that thought is just too much effort)

[g3org3y]

All that jazz said:

ferrariF50lover said:

g3org3y said:

Agree in principle but at least 500 yards? Are you sure?

At 60mph, your TED before pulling back is 17 seconds!

IME 50-100 yards would be more reasonable.

Surely this would depend upon the difference in speed between the vehicles, rather than just the speed of the overtaker?

Simon.

500 yards is a fking long way whatever speed you're doing. I think Ray probably meant 50 yards or maybe 100 if he really wanted to hang it out.

As below, feet.

Ray Luxury-Yacht said:

g3org3y said:

Ray Luxury-Yacht said:

Whenever I overtake, I make sure that there is loads of spare road in front of me. I pull into the other lane, go past, and stay in the other lane for a good few seconds before pulling back into the lane, by now at least a good 500 yards in front of the overtaken vehicle.

Agree in principle but at least 500 yards? Are you sure?

At 60mph, your TED before pulling back is 17 seconds!

IME 50-100 yards would be more reasonable.

D'oh...feet! Sorry, I was with wine last night

I'm usually with whiskey. Good personality, good company.

[monthefish]

anonymous said:

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But in the example i gave above that isnt possible.

Having someone cut across your nose at speed is quite unnerving and if that's the only way to complete an overtake then, in my book, there's no opportunity and you should hold off.

The point is, some people would class 2m as 'cutting across your nose' whereas others would class 20m as 'cutting across your nose'. Different people have differing opinions as to what cutting across your nose is, and this thread is generally about those who have what we think hold an unreasonable viewpoint in this regard..

Yes, in the real world you want to give the vehicle being overtaken as much room as possible, but you also want to minimise your TED (Time Exposed to Danger), and in this small corner of the world that is the UK, we aren't blessed with an abundance of long open stretches of road where this can be achieved perfectly. It's all about making safe progress, and making a judgement. People will always get annoyed by overtakers; That's just the way it is.



The other thing to consider are the idiots who don't leave a sufficient gap to the car in front (even when they, themselves, have no intention of overtaking) and so 'cutting across their nose' (to a degree) is necessary. They then get worked up that you pulled in a bit close after overtaking them, not appreciating the part they played.


If I'm not overtaking, I leave quite a decent gap the the car in front - it's a whole lot stressful, hardly any need to touch the brakes and allows others to overtake.

[ORD]

I agree completely re bumper to bumper non-overtakers. Only reasonable response is to despatch them all in a 2nd gear wailing banshee kind of way :-)

[Big Rod]

Choob today. Travelling along approaching a roundabout and notably gaining on the car in front.

At the roundabout the carriageway splits into two and there's about 400 - 500 yards of double lanes on the exit, enough time to pass dawdlers/HGVs if the opportunity presents itself.

So I carry as much speed through the roundabout as I can in a LWB Pajero and aim for the RHL to pass the guy.

I can only guess that he's seen me coming and noticeably floors it which makes it just too short to make the overtake comfortably so I give up and pull in behind him then he slows down back to his dawdle!!!

[Pan Pan]

Big Rod said:

Choob today. Travelling along approaching a roundabout and notably gaining on the car in front.

At the roundabout the carriageway splits into two and there's about 400 - 500 yards of double lanes on the exit, enough time to pass dawdlers/HGVs if the opportunity presents itself.

So I carry as much speed through the roundabout as I can in a LWB Pajero and aim for the RHL to pass the guy.

I can only guess that he's seen me coming and noticeably floors it which makes it just too short to make the overtake comfortably so I give up and pull in behind him then he slows down back to his dawdle!!!

By blocking you in this way, and then slowing to a dawdle, probably in `his' mind he is making the road safer.

[StottyEvo]

Sensibleboy said:

StottyEvo said:

You sound like an overtake hater to me He was never ever going to hit you (if there had been a traffic island or something that he had to swerve in for then maybe) he would've just continued over the hatchings until clear. As you say, you were pootling along at 30mph and it looks like he didn't fancy that for the next x amount of miles...

The only reason he didn't pull in closer was I hit the brakes. He was just hoping for the best that I wasn't there alongside. It was a poorly planned manoeuvre all the same.

It's a 30 limit road with a handful of traffic lights and a speed camera along it. If somebody can't overtake without needing the other driver to do something drastic then it's crap driving.

Edited by Sensibleboy on Monday 9th June 06:53

I don't doubt for a second it was a poorly planned and executed manoeuvre but to claim he was going to hit you is nonsense.

I recall following an M3 on the motorway at around 90, he was hogging L3 and an Impreza took exception to this. He undertook the M3 and cut infront of him whilst accelerating into the distance. The driver of the M3 panicked and braked hard as you can imagine I was extremely pissed off at having to slam on in L3 and pray nobody hit the back of me because someone thought it was a good idea to anchor on, to avoid a collision that was never going to happen.

[trickywoo]

Big Rod said:

So I carry as much speed through the roundabout as I can in a LWB Pajero and aim for the RHL to pass the guy.

To be fair I wouldn't want a LWB Pajero in front of me either

[Big Rod]

trickywoo said:

Big Rod said:

So I carry as much speed through the roundabout as I can in a LWB Pajero and aim for the RHL to pass the guy.

To be fair I wouldn't want a LWB Pajero in front of me either

Well excu-use me! It's a 3.5 V6 petrol I'll have you know so, while I wouldn't win many drag races, it's quite capable and with adjustable dampers doesn't do too bad a job of cornering either thank you very much.

(Just don't ask me about mpg hmmmkay?!?!?)

Edited by Big Rod on Monday 9th June 13:50