Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
hurstg01 said:
2nd though in 1997, so not too shabby
Not too shabby at all considering the GT was turned upside down since 1995 thanks to Porsche and Mercedes.I think the original road car looks better but actually prefer the look of the longtail on the racecars especially the Gulf longtails. Utterly gorgeous.
As a long time lurker many thanks to you Flemke for sharing your experiences in owning and enjoying such a wonderful car especially the modifications you've made to your car. Happy motoring.
flemke said:
That's what they say, and was the reason why I was persuaded to get the P1. I must admit that I was not bowled over by the steering or brake feel on that car, or on the 675.
The factory tell me that they have learned a lot and that the P15 will be noticeably better. The P15's body weight will obviously make it feel better overall, but I'll have to wait until later this year to judge whether its control weightings and feel are improved.
Is there any recent car that you would consider to 'feel' right if even a 675 didn't quite do the job? That car is imo pretty much as good as modern cars have got wrt to the driving feel thing, it's for me at least a good bit superior to the 991rs and as good (if in a different way) as the speciale.The factory tell me that they have learned a lot and that the P15 will be noticeably better. The P15's body weight will obviously make it feel better overall, but I'll have to wait until later this year to judge whether its control weightings and feel are improved.
richomk6 said:
hurstg01 said:
2nd though in 1997, so not too shabby
Not too shabby at all considering the GT was turned upside down since 1995 thanks to Porsche and Mercedes.I think the original road car looks better but actually prefer the look of the longtail on the racecars especially the Gulf longtails. Utterly gorgeous.
As a long time lurker many thanks to you Flemke for sharing your experiences in owning and enjoying such a wonderful car especially the modifications you've made to your car. Happy motoring.
isaldiri said:
flemke said:
That's what they say, and was the reason why I was persuaded to get the P1. I must admit that I was not bowled over by the steering or brake feel on that car, or on the 675.
The factory tell me that they have learned a lot and that the P15 will be noticeably better. The P15's body weight will obviously make it feel better overall, but I'll have to wait until later this year to judge whether its control weightings and feel are improved.
Is there any recent car that you would consider to 'feel' right if even a 675 didn't quite do the job? That car is imo pretty much as good as modern cars have got wrt to the driving feel thing, it's for me at least a good bit superior to the 991rs and as good (if in a different way) as the speciale.The factory tell me that they have learned a lot and that the P15 will be noticeably better. The P15's body weight will obviously make it feel better overall, but I'll have to wait until later this year to judge whether its control weightings and feel are improved.
Of what come to mind, I thought the steering on the 918 was good - better than I expected considering the format.
In general, I like the steering on Mercedes products.
Re the steering quality of modern McLarens, it is accurate, no problem. It's also fine in feeding back surface changes.
The shortcoming lies in returnability. There is not enough of it. I don't know whether that is a function of the caster that McLaren use (I have not measured it), or kingpin offset, or something else that I equally do not understand. But I want the steering wheel to push itself back towards centre, and for me the McLarens' do not do so sufficiently.
flemke said:
Depends on what you mean by "recent". With my time constraints, the fact is that I have not driven that many different cars built within the last, say, 5 years.
Of what come to mind, I thought the steering on the 918 was good - better than I expected considering the format.
In general, I like the steering on Mercedes products.
Re the steering quality of modern McLarens, it is accurate, no problem. It's also fine in feeding back surface changes.
The shortcoming lies in returnability. There is not enough of it. I don't know whether that is a function of the caster that McLaren use (I have not measured it), or kingpin offset, or something else that I equally do not understand. But I want the steering wheel to push itself back towards centre, and for me the McLarens' do not do so sufficiently.
Recent as in last 4-5 years I guess. I was more thinking you meant 'feel' as in overall driving feel/experience than more specifically steering feel though. Of what come to mind, I thought the steering on the 918 was good - better than I expected considering the format.
In general, I like the steering on Mercedes products.
Re the steering quality of modern McLarens, it is accurate, no problem. It's also fine in feeding back surface changes.
The shortcoming lies in returnability. There is not enough of it. I don't know whether that is a function of the caster that McLaren use (I have not measured it), or kingpin offset, or something else that I equally do not understand. But I want the steering wheel to push itself back towards centre, and for me the McLarens' do not do so sufficiently.
This may be sacrilege, but could you take an F1 Long Tail and convert it into a standard F1?
If they are 'less valuable' then the cost could possibly be recouped when selling the car at a later date. It would never be worth as much as a genuine road-going F1 but it would be more desirable that in it's original form.
If they are 'less valuable' then the cost could possibly be recouped when selling the car at a later date. It would never be worth as much as a genuine road-going F1 but it would be more desirable that in it's original form.
isaldiri said:
flemke said:
Depends on what you mean by "recent". With my time constraints, the fact is that I have not driven that many different cars built within the last, say, 5 years.
Of what come to mind, I thought the steering on the 918 was good - better than I expected considering the format.
In general, I like the steering on Mercedes products.
Re the steering quality of modern McLarens, it is accurate, no problem. It's also fine in feeding back surface changes.
The shortcoming lies in returnability. There is not enough of it. I don't know whether that is a function of the caster that McLaren use (I have not measured it), or kingpin offset, or something else that I equally do not understand. But I want the steering wheel to push itself back towards centre, and for me the McLarens' do not do so sufficiently.
Recent as in last 4-5 years I guess. I was more thinking you meant 'feel' as in overall driving feel/experience than more specifically steering feel though. Of what come to mind, I thought the steering on the 918 was good - better than I expected considering the format.
In general, I like the steering on Mercedes products.
Re the steering quality of modern McLarens, it is accurate, no problem. It's also fine in feeding back surface changes.
The shortcoming lies in returnability. There is not enough of it. I don't know whether that is a function of the caster that McLaren use (I have not measured it), or kingpin offset, or something else that I equally do not understand. But I want the steering wheel to push itself back towards centre, and for me the McLarens' do not do so sufficiently.
As I say, I have not driven all that many different cars built in the last 4-5 years, but of the ones that I have driven (including the modern McLarens), I think my favourites have been the 918 and SLS Black Series.
Storer said:
This may be sacrilege, but could you take an F1 Long Tail and convert it into a standard F1?
If they are 'less valuable' then the cost could possibly be recouped when selling the car at a later date. It would never be worth as much as a genuine road-going F1 but it would be more desirable that in it's original form.
You could do that, as both the tail and the front clam are attached to the central monocoque, which was the same in all F1s. You could change them and the roof snorkel, remove the wheel arch extensions, and you'd pretty much be there, but I think the car would always be viewed as a bastardised piece and its value would suffer as a result. It might be nice, however, to have the sequential gearbox in a "standard" road car.If they are 'less valuable' then the cost could possibly be recouped when selling the car at a later date. It would never be worth as much as a genuine road-going F1 but it would be more desirable that in it's original form.
Lanzante are making a Longtail P1 GTR
https://www.instagram.com/p/BflNVIhDtIg/?hl=en&...
I was thinking about colours for my VERY hypothetical F1 road car. (I didn't win the £77M Euromillions last night
) If anything, having ANY colour possible makes it harder.
Papaya is obviously historic, but I don't think it suits the road car. It's a little bit too flat a colour.
Yes I know model, seems no one has ever painted a road car in Papaya which is probably for a reason
It needs some darker areas (black or grey) to offset the Orange. (see F1GTR)
Kidstons is nice in black. Simple, classy
But it's a little "obvious" to have black.
Though maybe having the strakes up the door silver to match the wheels would work.
White is interesting.
Again to me works, more as a HDF, (though this doesn't have the side skirts of the GTR) It reminds me of an un-sponsored race car.
Silver (I know what Flemke means with SIlver), but it does work imo
I really like "Joy" a sort of blue/green
XP5 looks good in BRG
XP4 is also great in Blue
https://www.instagram.com/p/BflNVIhDtIg/?hl=en&...
I was thinking about colours for my VERY hypothetical F1 road car. (I didn't win the £77M Euromillions last night
) If anything, having ANY colour possible makes it harder.Papaya is obviously historic, but I don't think it suits the road car. It's a little bit too flat a colour.
Yes I know model
, seems no one has ever painted a road car in Papaya which is probably for a reasonIt needs some darker areas (black or grey) to offset the Orange. (see F1GTR)
Kidstons is nice in black. Simple, classy
But it's a little "obvious" to have black.
Though maybe having the strakes up the door silver to match the wheels would work.White is interesting.
Again to me works, more as a HDF, (though this doesn't have the side skirts of the GTR) It reminds me of an un-sponsored race car.
Silver (I know what Flemke means with SIlver), but it does work imo
I really like "Joy" a sort of blue/green
XP5 looks good in BRG
XP4 is also great in Blue
Edited by Rich_W on Saturday 24th February 19:08
Spoilt a bit by the red rim on the wheels. 
I stand corrected on someone else painting one.
I still think the flatter colour of Papaya makes the panier area appear "wrong" It would need a very thin pin stripe that follows the crease lines to just break it up a little IMO
If you look at this pic you can see the "crease" line as it goes up and around the arch
Problems I wish I had
I still think the flatter colour of Papaya makes the panier area appear "wrong" It would need a very thin pin stripe that follows the crease lines to just break it up a little IMO
If you look at this pic you can see the "crease" line as it goes up and around the arch
Problems I wish I had
flemke said:
Oh, okay.
As I say, I have not driven all that many different cars built in the last 4-5 years, but of the ones that I have driven (including the modern McLarens), I think my favourites have been the 918 and SLS Black Series.
Interesting that. Must try to find my grubby mitts on a black one day, that's probably rather more achievable than getting into a 918! As I say, I have not driven all that many different cars built in the last 4-5 years, but of the ones that I have driven (including the modern McLarens), I think my favourites have been the 918 and SLS Black Series.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff