Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
LarJammer said:
He had the car repainted in its original livery a few years ago. Apparently sold it last year (for an undisclosed 7 figure sum) to a Russian guy who now has 3 F1's in his collection. Can anyone add more info?
I can add that I don't believe the buyer is Russian and that he actually has 5 F1s in his collection including 16R. The others are Gordon Murray's own former road car prototype, chassis XP3; a lovely white/blue road car, chassis 053; the factory's F1 GT prototype in Green, chassis 56XPGT; and finally a soon-to-be-completed-by-MSO Gulf/Davidoff longtail GTR, chassis 25R. He has acquired all 5 of those cars fairly recently, within about a 24 month span. >8^)
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Peloton25 said:
I can add that I don't believe the buyer is Russian and that he actually has 5 F1s in his collection including 16R. The others are Gordon Murray's own former road car prototype, chassis XP3; a lovely white/blue road car, chassis 053; the factory's F1 GT prototype in Green, chassis 56XPGT; and finally a soon-to-be-completed-by-MSO Gulf/Davidoff longtail GTR, chassis 25R. He has acquired all 5 of those cars fairly recently, within about a 24 month span.
>8^)
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5% of total production is just greedy! Mind you, i consider it £100m well spent.>8^)
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Here's Tiff Needell having a spin in the same F1 GTR, vs. a Ferrari Enzo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kLlmxUAB5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kLlmxUAB5A
Peloton25 said:
I can add that I don't believe the buyer is Russian and that he actually has 5 F1s in his collection including 16R. The others are Gordon Murray's own former road car prototype, chassis XP3; a lovely white/blue road car, chassis 053; the factory's F1 GT prototype in Green, chassis 56XPGT; and finally a soon-to-be-completed-by-MSO Gulf/Davidoff longtail GTR, chassis 25R. He has acquired all 5 of those cars fairly recently, within about a 24 month span.
>8^)
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Does his surname begin with ‘L’?>8^)
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bobo79 said:
In 2011 I attended the Le Mans 24 hours and I recall an orange F1 GTR and an F40 on race day parked next to each other in one of the public car parks close to Tetre Rouge. Pretty astonishing then, particularly as they were totally unguarded, and I’d imagine inconceivable now, 7 years on.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/japcars/5858088020
Does any one know anything about these cars? I assume it was not a coincidence. It seemed like a fairly brave thing to do!
And here it is doing the Sunday morning baguette run during the race, caught as I was coming back to camp after seeing in dawn at Arnage & Mulsanne corners https://www.flickr.com/photos/japcars/5858088020
Does any one know anything about these cars? I assume it was not a coincidence. It seemed like a fairly brave thing to do!
Le Mans 24 Hour, June 2011 by giveitfish, on Flickrvincegail said:
Some pictures of the same McLaren (and F40 in the background of the pics) taken in Arnage village near Le Mans during raceweek , albeit in 2010.
The numberplate implies it has 700 horses, did it have a power upgrade?
https://www.autojunk.nl/2010/07/mclaren-f1-gtr-3
Ironically, because of the governing formula of the time, the GTRs left the factory with an official 600 BHP, or 27 less than the official BHP of the road cars.The numberplate implies it has 700 horses, did it have a power upgrade?
https://www.autojunk.nl/2010/07/mclaren-f1-gtr-3
flemke said:
Maybe you could become an Indycar driver? 
I used to worry about what would happen if I won the Indy 500, since I cannot abide the taste of milk so I'd end up getting booed like Emmo when he drank orange juice. Eventually I realized the odds of me winning Indianapolis are now quite slim.
PAUL500 said:
I watched this really good interview recently, I do actually like him and would have loved to work for him for a while, there is an admiration for his vision and determination.
Interesting that he says he does not really like cars themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh2iQSU9DJE
Watched this last night, didn't realise quite how ruthless he was in his early days. An interesting watch.Interesting that he says he does not really like cars themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh2iQSU9DJE
Dr Gitlin said:
flemke said:
Maybe you could become an Indycar driver?
I used to worry about what would happen if I won the Indy 500, since I cannot abide the taste of milk so I'd end up getting booed like Emmo when he drank orange juice. Eventually I realized the odds of me winning Indianapolis are now quite slim.
SydneyBridge said:
questions for F1 experts
a lot of F1's seem to be repainted a fair few times over their lifetime (and colour schemes changed) - does this not effect the value compared to a car that has its original coat of paint???
Excepting a "delivery miles" car, in which everything is in original condition and nobody is expecting the car ever to be driven in the real world, many cars have their colour changed and interior retrimmed when acquired by a new owner. a lot of F1's seem to be repainted a fair few times over their lifetime (and colour schemes changed) - does this not effect the value compared to a car that has its original coat of paint???
When McLaren change the colour, they take the car apart, sand the existing paint back to primer, and start over. It's not like layers and layers of paint build up over the years!
I have not heard of an F1 trading for lower money because it had been repainted. It's more common that, if the existing colour looks good, the new owner is pleased that he's got something that won't need to be changed to make it look better. Quite a number of the cars came from the factory in various shades of silvers, which simply isn't that popular these days (unless your name is Ron).
To add to Flemke's point - you will always have certain collectors willing to pay more for one of those unmolested, original and unused examples, but I don't believe that means F1s which have been redone have been negatively impacted, or certainly not by a very high percentage, as market valuation should be looked at based upon an average example and not the outliers at either end.
The wonderful thing about MSO's continuing support of the F1 is that if a new owner chooses to do so, they could also have the factory return their car to its original condition. We saw this occur in 2013 with F1 chassis 046 (commonly referred to by its reg plate "F1 JOY) which went from a resprayed and fairly common Magnesium Silver, back to the Genesis Blue Metallic that it wore when it first left the factory. That said, over the years there have been far more examples of people having an F1 redone to suit their own tastes than the other way around.
Frankly I'm not sure most owners are very concerned about any impact to the value for a few reasons - first, because they are obviously all tremendously wealthy; second, because wealthy people typically want things their way and are willing to pay for it; and finally, because F1 valuations continue to increase at a rather astounding pace.
>8^)
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The wonderful thing about MSO's continuing support of the F1 is that if a new owner chooses to do so, they could also have the factory return their car to its original condition. We saw this occur in 2013 with F1 chassis 046 (commonly referred to by its reg plate "F1 JOY) which went from a resprayed and fairly common Magnesium Silver, back to the Genesis Blue Metallic that it wore when it first left the factory. That said, over the years there have been far more examples of people having an F1 redone to suit their own tastes than the other way around.
Frankly I'm not sure most owners are very concerned about any impact to the value for a few reasons - first, because they are obviously all tremendously wealthy; second, because wealthy people typically want things their way and are willing to pay for it; and finally, because F1 valuations continue to increase at a rather astounding pace.
>8^)
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Peloton25 said:
To add to Flemke's point - you will always have certain collectors willing to pay more for one of those unmolested, original and unused examples, but I don't believe that means F1s which have been redone have been negatively impacted, or certainly not by a very high percentage, as market valuation should be looked at based upon an average example and not the outliers at either end.
The wonderful thing about MSO's continuing support of the F1 is that if a new owner chooses to do so, they could also have the factory return their car to its original condition. We saw this occur in 2013 with F1 chassis 046 (commonly referred to by its reg plate "F1 JOY) which went from a resprayed and fairly common Magnesium Silver, back to the Genesis Blue Metallic that it wore when it first left the factory. That said, over the years there have been far more examples of people having an F1 redone to suit their own tastes than the other way around.
Frankly I'm not sure most owners are very concerned about any impact to the value for a few reasons - first, because they are obviously all tremendously wealthy; second, because wealthy people typically want things their way and are willing to pay for it; and finally, because F1 valuations continue to increase at a rather astounding pace.
>8^)
ER
Those flipping rich people, always getting things their own way, eh Flemke ? The wonderful thing about MSO's continuing support of the F1 is that if a new owner chooses to do so, they could also have the factory return their car to its original condition. We saw this occur in 2013 with F1 chassis 046 (commonly referred to by its reg plate "F1 JOY) which went from a resprayed and fairly common Magnesium Silver, back to the Genesis Blue Metallic that it wore when it first left the factory. That said, over the years there have been far more examples of people having an F1 redone to suit their own tastes than the other way around.
Frankly I'm not sure most owners are very concerned about any impact to the value for a few reasons - first, because they are obviously all tremendously wealthy; second, because wealthy people typically want things their way and are willing to pay for it; and finally, because F1 valuations continue to increase at a rather astounding pace.
>8^)
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epom said:
Peloton25 said:
To add to Flemke's point - you will always have certain collectors willing to pay more for one of those unmolested, original and unused examples, but I don't believe that means F1s which have been redone have been negatively impacted, or certainly not by a very high percentage, as market valuation should be looked at based upon an average example and not the outliers at either end.
The wonderful thing about MSO's continuing support of the F1 is that if a new owner chooses to do so, they could also have the factory return their car to its original condition. We saw this occur in 2013 with F1 chassis 046 (commonly referred to by its reg plate "F1 JOY) which went from a resprayed and fairly common Magnesium Silver, back to the Genesis Blue Metallic that it wore when it first left the factory. That said, over the years there have been far more examples of people having an F1 redone to suit their own tastes than the other way around.
Frankly I'm not sure most owners are very concerned about any impact to the value for a few reasons - first, because they are obviously all tremendously wealthy; second, because wealthy people typically want things their way and are willing to pay for it; and finally, because F1 valuations continue to increase at a rather astounding pace.
>8^)
ER
Those flipping rich people, always getting things their own way, eh Flemke ? The wonderful thing about MSO's continuing support of the F1 is that if a new owner chooses to do so, they could also have the factory return their car to its original condition. We saw this occur in 2013 with F1 chassis 046 (commonly referred to by its reg plate "F1 JOY) which went from a resprayed and fairly common Magnesium Silver, back to the Genesis Blue Metallic that it wore when it first left the factory. That said, over the years there have been far more examples of people having an F1 redone to suit their own tastes than the other way around.
Frankly I'm not sure most owners are very concerned about any impact to the value for a few reasons - first, because they are obviously all tremendously wealthy; second, because wealthy people typically want things their way and are willing to pay for it; and finally, because F1 valuations continue to increase at a rather astounding pace.
>8^)
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PAUL500 said:
wow! he had a scary amount of precious bits lying around everywhere!dobly said:
I like his attitude - "it's just a car".
Me too, I like that attitude. It IS just a collection of nuts and bolts at the end of the day (simplified I know, but it isn't open heart surgery to work on them is it?)I work on circa $40m aircraft. Complicated yes, but just lots of nuts and bolts when you get down to it.
Edited by DuraAce on Tuesday 3rd July 00:03
DuraAce said:
Me too, I like that attitude. It IS just a collection of nuts and bolts at the end of the day (simplified I know, but it isn't open heart surgery to work on them is it?)
I work on circa $40m aircraft. Complicated yes, but just lots of nuts and bolts when you get down to it.
Just got to make sure you use the correct sized bolts huh?I work on circa $40m aircraft. Complicated yes, but just lots of nuts and bolts when you get down to it.
Edited by DuraAce on Tuesday 3rd July 00:03
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