Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
carlover680 said:
I rather assumed his would be RHD - and probably use white accents more discretely. Also, I would have hoped that he bought it to enjoy not to flip.But I should have waited for Flemke to answer ....
waremark said:
carlover680 said:
I rather assumed his would be RHD - and probably use white accents more discretely. Also, I would have hoped that he bought it to enjoy not to flip.But I should have waited for Flemke to answer ....
cc8s said:
That's his Senna. It has been posted previously and the number makes sense. That blue is lovely.
Interesting, in that case obviously bought for resale, will he be getting a premium? There was one in the Riyadh auction last week but it didn't sell with a reserve of at least 1.6m dollars. waremark said:
Interesting, in that case obviously bought for resale, will he be getting a premium? There was one in the Riyadh auction last week but it didn't sell with a reserve of at least 1.6m dollars.
Why obviously? He wouldn’t be the first owner to put their Senna up for sale almost straight away despite having the intentions of keeping it. Also thought he was sorting his collection a little now the cars are stateside. waremark said:
cc8s said:
That's his Senna. It has been posted previously and the number makes sense. That blue is lovely.
Interesting, in that case obviously bought for resale, will he be getting a premium? There was one in the Riyadh auction last week but it didn't sell with a reserve of at least 1.6m dollars. 
Happy seller, happy buyer, don't see any problem.To clarify, yes, that was my car. It was always a US-spec car for use only there. I owned it for more than a year, but changes in my personal plans meant that, looking forward, I was likely to be able to drive it maybe once in the next several years, which was not exactly enough to justify keeping it.
If I had bought it to flip it, I would not have had it painted in a grown-up colour to match my F1 and I would have ordered it with ankle windows, which I think are silly but which are preferred by the vast majority of prospective buyers.
If I had bought it to flip it, I would not have had it painted in a grown-up colour to match my F1 and I would have ordered it with ankle windows, which I think are silly but which are preferred by the vast majority of prospective buyers.
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flemke said:
To clarify, yes, that was my car. It was always a US-spec car for use only there. I owned it for more than a year, but changes in my personal plans meant that, looking forward, I was likely to be able to drive it maybe once in the next several years, which was not exactly enough to justify keeping it.
If I had bought it to flip it, I would not have had it painted in a grown-up colour to match my F1 and I would have ordered it with ankle windows, which I think are silly but which are preferred by the vast majority of prospective buyers.
No offence intended, I just saw the mileage of 65 and leapt to a false assumption. If I had bought it to flip it, I would not have had it painted in a grown-up colour to match my F1 and I would have ordered it with ankle windows, which I think are silly but which are preferred by the vast majority of prospective buyers.
waremark said:
flemke said:
To clarify, yes, that was my car. It was always a US-spec car for use only there. I owned it for more than a year, but changes in my personal plans meant that, looking forward, I was likely to be able to drive it maybe once in the next several years, which was not exactly enough to justify keeping it.
If I had bought it to flip it, I would not have had it painted in a grown-up colour to match my F1 and I would have ordered it with ankle windows, which I think are silly but which are preferred by the vast majority of prospective buyers.
No offence intended, I just saw the mileage of 65 and leapt to a false assumption. If I had bought it to flip it, I would not have had it painted in a grown-up colour to match my F1 and I would have ordered it with ankle windows, which I think are silly but which are preferred by the vast majority of prospective buyers.
johnwilliams77 said:
Nothing 'obvious' about it - don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.
Mmm...i remember the large amount of posts made when McLaren announced the 675LT spider, having a go because it was only supposed to be the 675 LT coupe therefore diluting the values ( and rarity ).Its like the guys that bang on about getting an allocation of GT3's and GT3RS's Porsches that will be 'keepers'...then they get them, next thing you know about 6months later its up for sale with 200miles for a huge premium at an OPC...never seen the track or barely even the road.
Regardless of plans, when the Senna was announced it was seen almost as a blue chip investment.
Its a real shame when people get an allocation of hard to obtain cars and do 65 miles in a year before selling, regardless of the circumstances....i did more than 65 miles in the 1st hour of owning my Mac.
A local guy here got a Senna new and he tracks it all the time here and europe...i tip my hat to him.
Chris Harris' & Ed Lovett' 'Collecting Cars' podcast brought me to this thread. PetrolTed mentioned this thread when Chris asked about his most memorable / fave threads, and if im honest i've always ignored it as it was just page after page!
just started trawling through the first few pages on the first vol. Think i'll be here till next year..atleast
just started trawling through the first few pages on the first vol. Think i'll be here till next year..atleast
irfan1712 said:
Chris Harris' & Ed Lovett' 'Collecting Cars' podcast brought me to this thread. PetrolTed mentioned this thread when Chris asked about his most memorable / fave threads, and if im honest i've always ignored it as it was just page after page!
just started trawling through the first few pages on the first vol. Think i'll be here till next year..atleast
Overall the thread makes for great reading, but it all made a lot more sense when the photos loaded! just started trawling through the first few pages on the first vol. Think i'll be here till next year..atleast
650spider said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Nothing 'obvious' about it - don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.
Mmm...i remember the large amount of posts made when McLaren announced the 675LT spider, having a go because it was only supposed to be the 675 LT coupe therefore diluting the values ( and rarity ).Its like the guys that bang on about getting an allocation of GT3's and GT3RS's Porsches that will be 'keepers'...then they get them, next thing you know about 6months later its up for sale with 200miles for a huge premium at an OPC...never seen the track or barely even the road.
Regardless of plans, when the Senna was announced it was seen almost as a blue chip investment.
Its a real shame when people get an allocation of hard to obtain cars and do 65 miles in a year before selling, regardless of the circumstances....i did more than 65 miles in the 1st hour of owning my Mac.
A local guy here got a Senna new and he tracks it all the time here and europe...i tip my hat to him.
Person A might want a GT3RS because he or she has a beloved collection of Porsches, and the purpose is to add the car to the collection.
Person B might want a GT3RS because he or she wants to drive it on the road, and looks down on the person who wants to add the car to a static collection.
Person C might want a GT3RS because he or she loves to do track days, and looks down on the road driver and the collector.
Person D might want a GT3RS because he or she wants to learn to be a racing driver, and looks down on the track day warrior, the road driver and the collector.
Person E might want a GT3RS because he or she is already an accomplished professional racing driver, and looks down on the wannabe racer, the track day warrior, the road driver and the collector.
I don't think it is up to the rest of us to declare that one type of owner is more legitimate than another. They all want genuinely to own the car.
The flipper is the opposite. He (or she) has no genuine interest in owning the car for any purpose. The idea is merely to jump ahead of the queue, deny someone with genuine interest the opportunity to buy the car at the normal price, and by doing so extort money from that person.
On this thread and elsewhere, I (and some others) have said repeatedly that it would be preferable if all manufacturers would build to demand, rather than trying to create artificial shortages that generate undeserved advantages for flippers at the expense of people who have genuine if diverse reasons for wanting to buy and keep a car. Everyone should have a fair crack at buying a car at the same price. In the years after the production run is finished, what happens to the value of the car should be up to normal market forces, without initial distortions unnecessarily created by games-playing manufacturers.
It's not only car makers that pull this stunt. It is probably happening across the board, but I am aware of its ludicrous application in such areas as ladies' handbags and teenagers' hoodies. In the '70s, an economist called Fred Hirsch coined the term "positional good" to classify a form of consumption that was valued not on the intrinsic qualities of the consumed object (or experience) itself but rather on the fact that it was not (even in theory) available to everyone, and possession of it conferred on the owner a hierarchical status above that of all those who did not possess it. Purveyors of "limited edition" goods and services are seeking to exploit that. It is legal and part of a free market, but it is also distasteful.
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