Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

[cc8s]

His vow was to not own one, so where the money went would not really matter.

Maybe he could put it in a family member's name if he felt very inclined to get one

[flemke]

Sway said:

Two of that list mildly surprise me...

Does your dislike for F extend so deeply that it puts you off buying anything with their badge, even though in some of those cars none of the spend would hit their business?

Yes. It doesn't affect anyone else, but I do not want to associate myself with Ferrari. The company's behaviour in 2007 was contemptible and I want nothing to do with them.

[flemke]

cc8s said:

His vow was to not own one, so where the money went would not really matter.

Maybe he could put it in a family member's name if he felt very inclined to get one

Probably ain't going to happen....

[thegreenhell]

cc8s said:

Fantastic car and reviewer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQPIBFz1ZJo

Curiously, that same Carfection channel have just published a second video on the Rocket, but this time with a different presenter driving a different car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZrXBgJPwLE

[anonymous-user]

flemke said:

Yes. It doesn't affect anyone else, but I do not want to associate myself with Ferrari. The company's behaviour in 2007 was contemptible and I want nothing to do with them.

You could always grow up.

[braddo]

janesmith1950 said:

flemke said:

Yes. It doesn't affect anyone else, but I do not want to associate myself with Ferrari. The company's behaviour in 2007 was contemptible and I want nothing to do with them.

You could always grow up.

You're a charmer.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

janesmith1950 said:

People like Owen Jones are dangerous and divisive to society, not to mention he's possibly the most annoying person on the planet. However, if I saw him being attacked in the pub, I would reluctantly feel the need to join in with his assailant and make sure they did a good job, whilst shouting "this one's from Maggie"!

I don't see any special treatment that isn't justified here on behalf of the authorities, though.

[Szulc]

thegreenhell said:

Curiously, that same Carfection channel have just published a second video on the Rocket, but this time with a different presenter driving a different car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZrXBgJPwLE

Here's an accompanying article to that very car. https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/super...
Hopefully the third carfection boy will be able to take his rocket closer to the limits. Seems Alex's video repeats almost everything mentioned in the article, however I will leave you with the best part

"“If ever I want to teach somebody about light weight and low inertia,” he [Gordon Murray] concludes, “I say get in a Rocket and drive it for half an hour. It’s better than 1000 words.”"

[richomk6]

flemke said:

Yes. It doesn't affect anyone else, but I do not want to associate myself with Ferrari. The company's behaviour in 2007 was contemptible and I want nothing to do with them.

What happened in 2007 with Ferrari for you to feel that way? Apologies if you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t recall seeing it in this thread.

[g3org3y]

Out of interest (and I'm sure answered somewhere in the last 300+ pages and previous 4 vols) but which tyres do you use on the F1 flemke?

I understand the F1 was originally released on (custom) Goodyear tyres. Recently watching the Autocar Mclaren legends video (again!) and it was mentioned that K8 MCL is now on Michelins that replicate the characteristics of the original Goodyears.

Do you use the same Michelins or something else? Speed ratings must be an issue too!

Given the leaps and bounds in tyre technology, modern day rubber is light years ahead of the old stuff in terms of grip. I presume the F1's handling was set up taking into account the specs of the original Goodyear tyres.

Does modern day rubber change the handling significantly? Would modern day rubber 'ruin' the F1's handling characteristics?

TIA.

[CanAm]

richomk6 said:

What happened in 2007 with Ferrari for you to feel that way? Apologies if you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t recall seeing it in this thread.

Stepneygate.......

[bolidemichael]

braddo said:

How do you link and highlight a specific quote on PH?

[S1KRR]

g3org3y said:

Out of interest (and I'm sure answered somewhere in the last 300+ pages and previous 4 vols) but which tyres do you use on the F1 flemke?

I understand the F1 was originally released on (custom) Goodyear tyres. Recently watching the Autocar Mclaren legends video (again!) and it was mentioned that K8 MCL is now on Michelins that replicate the characteristics of the original Goodyears.

Do you use the same Michelins or something else? Speed ratings must be an issue too!

Given the leaps and bounds in tyre technology, modern day rubber is light years ahead of the old stuff in terms of grip. I presume the F1's handling was set up taking into account the specs of the original Goodyear tyres.

Does modern day rubber change the handling significantly? Would modern day rubber 'ruin' the F1's handling characteristics?

TIA.

He's got different size, custom, one off wheels.



He runs Ferrari Enzo size tyres ironically (Goodle whatever they are) And the most recent pic I can see he uses Bridgestones. These were also custom bigger diameter wheels but based on the oem design. Then painted black.



I want to guess 19"s because the OEM wheels were 17" and if he wanted 18" he'd have just have purchased the GTR OZ wheels as they were an inch larger.

Edited by S1KRR on Saturday 18th January 17:05

[Petrus1983]

CanAm said:

richomk6 said:

What happened in 2007 with Ferrari for you to feel that way? Apologies if you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t recall seeing it in this thread.

Stepneygate.......

Indeed - I’m thinking this too, especially due to its links to McLaren -

https://www.wired.com/2008/05/ff-formulaone/

[Esceptico]

Szulc said:

Here's an accompanying article to that very car. https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/super...
Hopefully the third carfection boy will be able to take his rocket closer to the limits. Seems Alex's video repeats almost everything mentioned in the article, however I will leave you with the best part

"“If ever I want to teach somebody about light weight and low inertia,” he [Gordon Murray] concludes, “I say get in a Rocket and drive it for half an hour. It’s better than 1000 words.”"

The Classic and Sportscar article claims the value of a used Rocket is only £75-£100k. Is it really that low? Given the provenance and very low build numbers I would have expected much more.

[bolidemichael]

Petrus1983 said:

CanAm said:

richomk6 said:

What happened in 2007 with Ferrari for you to feel that way? Apologies if you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t recall seeing it in this thread.

Stepneygate.......

Indeed - I’m thinking this too, especially due to its links to McLaren -

https://www.wired.com/2008/05/ff-formulaone/

This was actually a great read - I've been waiting for Joe Saward's account for many years, but this seems to have gone to a great deal of depth and was out there all along!

[flemke]

richomk6 said:

flemke said:

Yes. It doesn't affect anyone else, but I do not want to associate myself with Ferrari. The company's behaviour in 2007 was contemptible and I want nothing to do with them.

What happened in 2007 with Ferrari for you to feel that way? Apologies if you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t recall seeing it in this thread.

As has been mentioned, in 2007 Ferrari conspired with Mosley to try to destroy McLaren. It was probably the most unsporting thing I have ever seen. It resulted in, among other things, Mercedes's walking away from McLaren, and we see how the two organisations have fared since, with Mercedes buying 12 world titles and Ron Dennis getting sacked.

[flemke]

S1KRR said:

g3org3y said:

Out of interest (and I'm sure answered somewhere in the last 300+ pages and previous 4 vols) but which tyres do you use on the F1 flemke?

I understand the F1 was originally released on (custom) Goodyear tyres. Recently watching the Autocar Mclaren legends video (again!) and it was mentioned that K8 MCL is now on Michelins that replicate the characteristics of the original Goodyears.

Do you use the same Michelins or something else? Speed ratings must be an issue too!

Given the leaps and bounds in tyre technology, modern day rubber is light years ahead of the old stuff in terms of grip. I presume the F1's handling was set up taking into account the specs of the original Goodyear tyres.

Does modern day rubber change the handling significantly? Would modern day rubber 'ruin' the F1's handling characteristics?

TIA.

He's got different size, custom, one off wheels.



He runs Ferrari Enzo size tyres ironically (Goodle whatever they are) And the most recent pic I can see he uses Bridgestones. These were also custom bigger diameter wheels but based on the oem design. Then painted black.



I want to guess 19"s because the OEM wheels were 17" and if he wanted 18" he'd have just have purchased the GTR OZ wheels as they were an inch larger.

Problem with the OZ 18" front wheel is that it is wide (takes 265 tyre) as it is designed for racing cars (which do not need much steering lock) and is impractical for a road car.

[flemke]

bolidemichael said:

Petrus1983 said:

CanAm said:

richomk6 said:

What happened in 2007 with Ferrari for you to feel that way? Apologies if you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t recall seeing it in this thread.

Stepneygate.......

Indeed - I’m thinking this too, especially due to its links to McLaren -

https://www.wired.com/2008/05/ff-formulaone/

This was actually a great read - I've been waiting for Joe Saward's account for many years, but this seems to have gone to a great deal of depth and was out there all along!

Someone (possibly someone I know well) wrote up on another motoring forum what I think is the most complete account of the whole affair. None of the professional ones is as good (IMO). I would be surprised if Joe Saward were to add anything to what is known, unless he could get an honest interview out of Max Mosley (oops - contradiction in terms!) and the straight scoop from Mike Coughlan as well.

[flemke]

g3org3y said:

Out of interest (and I'm sure answered somewhere in the last 300+ pages and previous 4 vols) but which tyres do you use on the F1 flemke?

I understand the F1 was originally released on (custom) Goodyear tyres. Recently watching the Autocar Mclaren legends video (again!) and it was mentioned that K8 MCL is now on Michelins that replicate the characteristics of the original Goodyears.

Do you use the same Michelins or something else? Speed ratings must be an issue too!

Given the leaps and bounds in tyre technology, modern day rubber is light years ahead of the old stuff in terms of grip. I presume the F1's handling was set up taking into account the specs of the original Goodyear tyres.

Does modern day rubber change the handling significantly? Would modern day rubber 'ruin' the F1's handling characteristics?

TIA.

To add a bit to what I posted above, the Goodyear was actually a mediocre tyre. Because at the time of production Goodyear were McLaren's Formula One supplier, however, they were forced to use them. A couple of years later, Michelin said, "We can do better than that - let us try." For the next couple of years, one could buy either Goodyears or Michelins. I once saw Goodyear advertising the very unusual rear size (315-45-17) in a bog-standard ad in Car & Driver.

The thing about the Michelins is that, with their tall sidewalls, they give a very comfortable ride, but the sidewalls are thin and flexible and allow a great deal of lateral movement, which you perhaps don't want in a car with 650bhp, little downforce, and a low polar moment of inertia.

As explained to me by the man who designed the F1's suspension, in his current opinion the relationship between the "corner force stiffness" of the front and rear tyres is not ideal. That was the main reason why I changed to different size tyres: to get that balance right. My car handles far more predictably now than it did before. It also has a harsher ride, but I'll take the trade-off!

[bolidemichael]

flemke said:

bolidemichael said:

Petrus1983 said:

CanAm said:

richomk6 said:

What happened in 2007 with Ferrari for you to feel that way? Apologies if you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t recall seeing it in this thread.

Stepneygate.......

Indeed - I’m thinking this too, especially due to its links to McLaren -

https://www.wired.com/2008/05/ff-formulaone/

This was actually a great read - I've been waiting for Joe Saward's account for many years, but this seems to have gone to a great deal of depth and was out there all along!

Someone (possibly someone I know well) wrote up on another motoring forum what I think is the most complete account of the whole affair. None of the professional ones is as good (IMO). I would be surprised if Joe Saward were to add anything to what is known, unless he could get an honest interview out of Max Mosley (oops - contradiction in terms!) and the straight scoop from Mike Coughlan as well.

I'd like to read this, so please do share a link or google suggestion.