Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
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Caddyshack said:
SpeckledJim said:
Caddyshack said:
vincegail said:
The Rockets seems to be the most obtainable Gordon Murray car. Pricewise, that is. (or was) Although I recall Gordon mention in a video where somebody visits his garage (don't remember the video) that one changed hands for 250K recently. So not so obtainable, maybe. They are much rarer than F1s or T50s, and seem to rise in price as well!
That is crazy for what it is. You could get very close to the rocket with many alternatives - forumula Fords have been put on the road, radicals, tiger ERA etc.
£15m for anything is mad…even a house when you really think about it.
Archie2050 said:
Caddyshack said:
SpeckledJim said:
Caddyshack said:
vincegail said:
The Rockets seems to be the most obtainable Gordon Murray car. Pricewise, that is. (or was) Although I recall Gordon mention in a video where somebody visits his garage (don't remember the video) that one changed hands for 250K recently. So not so obtainable, maybe. They are much rarer than F1s or T50s, and seem to rise in price as well!
That is crazy for what it is. You could get very close to the rocket with many alternatives - forumula Fords have been put on the road, radicals, tiger ERA etc.
£15m for anything is mad…even a house when you really think about it.
vincegail said:
The Rockets seems to be the most obtainable Gordon Murray car. Pricewise, that is. (or was) Although I recall Gordon mention in a video where somebody visits his garage (don't remember the video) that one changed hands for 250K recently. So not so obtainable, maybe. They are much rarer than F1s or T50s, and seem to rise in price as well!
There is one currently for sale in the USA... $495k I believe. As far as I know it hasn't sold.https://www.meccanicshop.com/1996-Light-Car-Compan...
Timer said:
vincegail said:
The Rockets seems to be the most obtainable Gordon Murray car. Pricewise, that is. (or was) Although I recall Gordon mention in a video where somebody visits his garage (don't remember the video) that one changed hands for 250K recently. So not so obtainable, maybe. They are much rarer than F1s or T50s, and seem to rise in price as well!
There is one currently for sale in the USA... $495k I believe. As far as I know it hasn't sold.https://www.meccanicshop.com/1996-Light-Car-Compan...
The real market is £225-300k.
vincegail said:
The Rockets seems to be the most obtainable Gordon Murray car. Pricewise, that is. (or was) Although I recall Gordon mention in a video where somebody visits his garage (don't remember the video) that one changed hands for 250K recently. So not so obtainable, maybe. They are much rarer than F1s or T50s, and seem to rise in price as well!
That's the thing. Price aside, there just are not many in existence, and several are in Japan as well.flemke said:
That is a bit ridiculous and, like a lot of the crap I see advertised, may not be a real car for sale. Plenty of these schmucks will offer 'a car' at a price way over the real market. If they get a response from an uneducated buyer, they then go out looking for a real car.
The real market is £225-300k.
In many ways that's hugely depressing for me.The real market is £225-300k.
It's one of very few 'dream' cars for me - and it wasn't too many years ago I could realistically 'plan' to be able to own one.
Not anymore! The market price has risen far faster than my ability.
Sway said:
In many ways that's hugely depressing for me.
It's one of very few 'dream' cars for me - and it wasn't too many years ago I could realistically 'plan' to be able to own one.
Not anymore! The market price has risen far faster than my ability.
+1It's one of very few 'dream' cars for me - and it wasn't too many years ago I could realistically 'plan' to be able to own one.
Not anymore! The market price has risen far faster than my ability.
There's no affordable GM designed product in sight. OX never went anywhere, Yamaha gave up because of profitability, and we won't even talk about the TVR.
That Rocket they posted above will be going on Bring A Trailer soon, will be interesting to hear from the comments and if it sells. There's a short driving video already up on 1600 Veloce youtube channel.
I'd love to see a short film about the Rocket. The book was enjoyable and I'm sure there's more that deserves to be told.
Szulc said:
Sway said:
In many ways that's hugely depressing for me.
It's one of very few 'dream' cars for me - and it wasn't too many years ago I could realistically 'plan' to be able to own one.
Not anymore! The market price has risen far faster than my ability.
+1It's one of very few 'dream' cars for me - and it wasn't too many years ago I could realistically 'plan' to be able to own one.
Not anymore! The market price has risen far faster than my ability.
There's no affordable GM designed product in sight. OX never went anywhere, Yamaha gave up because of profitability, and we won't even talk about the TVR.
That Rocket they posted above will be going on Bring A Trailer soon, will be interesting to hear from the comments and if it sells. There's a short driving video already up on 1600 Veloce youtube channel.
I'd love to see a short film about the Rocket. The book was enjoyable and I'm sure there's more that deserves to be told.
Timer said:
vincegail said:
The Rockets seems to be the most obtainable Gordon Murray car. Pricewise, that is. (or was) Although I recall Gordon mention in a video where somebody visits his garage (don't remember the video) that one changed hands for 250K recently. So not so obtainable, maybe. They are much rarer than F1s or T50s, and seem to rise in price as well!
There is one currently for sale in the USA... $495k I believe. As far as I know it hasn't sold.https://www.meccanicshop.com/1996-Light-Car-Compan...
flemke said:
That is a bit ridiculous and, like a lot of the crap I see advertised, may not be a real car for sale. Plenty of these schmucks will offer 'a car' at a price way over the real market. If they get a response from an uneducated buyer, they then go out looking for a real car.
The real market is £225-300k.
Even that sum of money is crazy. I know that they're rare, but of all the Murray creations, that one doesn't appeal much. They're not pretty nor practical and one can (home)build or buy cars of similar weight and power. Mind you, a mk4 Golf R32 sold for 104 000$ on BAT, so maybe my viewpoint is slightly out of fashion. The real market is £225-300k.
F1GTRUeno said:
hurstg01 said:
Chassis 045 in Dark Silver, its had a number of owners (7 [+?], in different locations [Germany, US where it was imported as an Ameritech, UK]
Do you know where the new owner is located (obviously not their address or town but country-wise maybe?)Edited by hurstg01 on Wednesday 8th March 16:33
Archie2050 said:
Given the prices of Rockets, is there anything to stop another batch being made? They’re presumably pretty much handmade with lots of milled parts (some of which could be 3D printed now?)
Or were they sold as a limited edition with a guaranteed fixed number of cars?
In theory there nothing to stop more being made apart from those still involved agreeing to do so (this doesn't involve GM) Or were they sold as a limited edition with a guaranteed fixed number of cars?
Yes a lot of handmade expensive to make parts, 3D printing could well help. The IVA test is now a lot harder to pass than it was which would be an additional headache.
Never sold as a limited edition or guaranteed fixed number, truth is like the F1 back in the day they struggled to find enough buyers to make it viable business.
Rocket. said:
Archie2050 said:
Given the prices of Rockets, is there anything to stop another batch being made? They’re presumably pretty much handmade with lots of milled parts (some of which could be 3D printed now?)
Or were they sold as a limited edition with a guaranteed fixed number of cars?
In theory there nothing to stop more being made apart from those still involved agreeing to do so (this doesn't involve GM) Or were they sold as a limited edition with a guaranteed fixed number of cars?
Yes a lot of handmade expensive to make parts, 3D printing could well help. The IVA test is now a lot harder to pass than it was which would be an additional headache.
Never sold as a limited edition or guaranteed fixed number, truth is like the F1 back in the day they struggled to find enough buyers to make it viable business.
About 10 years ago Chris was thinking about doing another build run but, when he composed the prospective bill of materials, each car was going to cost him more than £70k in parts alone, which was a lot more than he had ever charged for a car so he decided against it.
A big hurdle was the transaxle. It is unique to the car, designed and manufactured by Weismann in the States. Pete Weismann was supposedly a good guy but he passed away years ago and his widow, who took over the company, had a reputation for being, shall we say, somewhat less cooperative than Pete had been.
vincegail said:
The Rockets seems to be the most obtainable Gordon Murray car. Pricewise, that is. (or was) Although I recall Gordon mention in a video where somebody visits his garage (don't remember the video) that one changed hands for 250K recently. So not so obtainable, maybe. They are much rarer than F1s or T50s, and seem to rise in price as well!
Worth every penny for the badge alone. It's got to be one of the best ever put on a carArchie2050 said:
Talking my own book, but for £250K you could get a BAC Mono which into all intents and purposes a road going (low downforce) F3 car.
disagree. bac mono is tubular chassis with fancy components, essentially a high end atom. f3 car is carbon monocoque with the engine/gearbox as a stressed member. power delivery, suspension compliance and cornering ability are on different continents.i think a rocket would be more fun on the road than a mono. more compliant, skinnier tyres, easier to place on the road. a sports car not a racer for the road.
iirc the blurb out of GMA at the time of the initial PR release was for a sub 100k car. now i can't afford a 100k car, but i could stretch myself to one if it meant having a GM designed 2 seat sports car to drive for the rest of my days. i do hope they build such a thing, lively 4 cyl, manual, FR layout, 2 seats. cmon gordon get it done!
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