RE: Mitsubishi Evo VI Tommi Makinen: Spotted
Discussion
dukebox9reg said:
They used to be bought new by rally fans, motorsport fans and by people who wanted 'supercar' performance for little(ish) money.
Supercars have now moved on and so has the everyday hot hatch etc. The original Scooby's and to a lesser extent Evo's have been bought by the backward hat wearing brigade for peanuts and fitted with the loudest bean can exhaust you can find and tend to drive like absolute berks.
It may be shallow but I don't think I could live with being painted with that brush. Same reason as per the other thread running at the mo, way people tend to go for the Golf over the Leon regardless of whether the Leon is the faster or better handling car. I could take my bosses out in a S3 and nothing would be said. A Scooby or Evo and you can guarantee what the majority will think of your character.
Yes, maybe in terms of the majority of owners the image isnt so good. I do think that they are on their way out now though, as mentioned below - cars being written off, broken for parts or not serviced adequately.Supercars have now moved on and so has the everyday hot hatch etc. The original Scooby's and to a lesser extent Evo's have been bought by the backward hat wearing brigade for peanuts and fitted with the loudest bean can exhaust you can find and tend to drive like absolute berks.
It may be shallow but I don't think I could live with being painted with that brush. Same reason as per the other thread running at the mo, way people tend to go for the Golf over the Leon regardless of whether the Leon is the faster or better handling car. I could take my bosses out in a S3 and nothing would be said. A Scooby or Evo and you can guarantee what the majority will think of your character.
If it is the car in question, a mint red tme in standard trim, that rolls past you it is unlikely to be driven by some chav/berk and in my opinion has huge presence and just looks stunning.
But yes, on the other hand, I do see a lot of evo's being driven around which obviously arent taken car of. But the line between the well taken care of and the not so well taken care of is getting bigger and bigger.
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As such standard versions of Gran Turismo icons tend to command really high prices as gamers grow up and clamour for the best examples. See the £50K R34 GT-R for example. Of course there are exceptions (how RX-7s of the early 90s haven't risen in value is a mystery) but typically standard iconic cars will be really sought after.
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Actually that's true of RX-7s too, in as far as they used to be even cheaper. Back in 2012 you could easily get a clean standard-ish car for £5k, now that's more like £7k.
As such standard versions of Gran Turismo icons tend to command really high prices as gamers grow up and clamour for the best examples. See the £50K R34 GT-R for example. Of course there are exceptions (how RX-7s of the early 90s haven't risen in value is a mystery) but typically standard iconic cars will be really sought after.
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Actually that's true of RX-7s too, in as far as they used to be even cheaper. Back in 2012 you could easily get a clean standard-ish car for £5k, now that's more like £7k.
People always say that Evo's are driven by chavs with baseball caps turned back to front. I've been driving Evo's on and off for 4 years now and am yet to meet one of these non existent chavs at a meet / trackday etc.
Chavs are generally poor and stupid so can't afford the running costs for one. Give me something which is a bit different from the norm/exciting over a boring, characterless, understeeing, fisher price 4WD VAG wreck any day of the week.
Chavs are generally poor and stupid so can't afford the running costs for one. Give me something which is a bit different from the norm/exciting over a boring, characterless, understeeing, fisher price 4WD VAG wreck any day of the week.
rtz62 said:
There's one a mile from me that only ever turns a wheel to go for its annual mot, and otherwise never moves off the guys drive. (Yes, drive, he hasn't got a garage!)
I believe the mileage is a lot lower than the one featured here, and have been told he's turned down over £20k for it.
Low miles is ok, but I'd be concerned that the one near me would go bang if driven enthusiastically after all this time.
I absolutely am not interested in cars with stupidly low miles - and why you'd not use a car but keep it outdoors where it's being ravaged by the elements is an utter mystery - actually, no, it's bloody stupid.I believe the mileage is a lot lower than the one featured here, and have been told he's turned down over £20k for it.
Low miles is ok, but I'd be concerned that the one near me would go bang if driven enthusiastically after all this time.
A pet peeve of mine are cars (and this is really common on high-end cars) which claim full-service-histories when they have nothing of the sort. They've done 40K and have 4 stamps but they've 9 years old so they actually need 9 stamps...
If you want to preserve a car - by all means do-so by storing it PROPERLY and continuing it's prescribed maintenance but never EVER think that 'low miles' means 'good nick' because it doesn't and can even mean the opposite.
Absolute icon of a car. I love it.
Yes the image is questionable, but it always has been.
It would make a great weekend car, to take out when image is irrelevant, the roads are quiet and you want to press on...
Fair comments about modern hatches catching up to them power or performance wise. But I guarantee the Evo has more driving appeal / character than the majority of them
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Yes the image is questionable, but it always has been.
It would make a great weekend car, to take out when image is irrelevant, the roads are quiet and you want to press on...
Fair comments about modern hatches catching up to them power or performance wise. But I guarantee the Evo has more driving appeal / character than the majority of them
.StottyEvo said:
nightwalker said:
such an awesome machine if you can stomach the absurd running costs!
Out of interest what expenditures did the cars throw up?However, if you've an ounce of savvy, you can service these for peanuts. Remember that these cars were designed to be serviced and repaired on your back on a bit of tarpaulin in the cold wet Welsh mountain stages and the full workshop manuals are available online.
I've had my VI for seven years now (Bought it for £10,000 in 2007), it's used in all weathers to its (ok, my) limit on club runs, trips down the farm and especially used in winter to take the kids to a remote secret sledding slope off road in the snow.
A barrel (25l) of up-to-spec engine oil that will do me for five oil changes costs me around £100 (you can pay A LOT more for your oil if you so desire).
5L (two services) of the dreaded AYC oil is around £25.00
Gearbox oil is standard GL-4 so cheap as chips.
And LS diff oil for the diffs.
Spark plugs are about £2 each (I change them every service).
Filters are about £20.
Can of spray grease for the hinges, copper grease for brakes etc.
So say around £80 all in, nowhere near extortionate for the type of car.
Other stuff & Breakages - I bought the diagnostic software (£100) I've changed the clutch (£200), rebuilt my AYC pump (£90, yep you can get a rebuild kit and not have to pay £1500!), broke my rear diff on a humpback bridge (£400), three sets of pads and discs (approx £300), ABS sensor (£200). Cambelt service (Wasn't brave enough to DIY £200)
I think that's it all, not bad for a 15 year old performance car.
dukebox9reg said:
rich861 said:
dukebox9reg said:
I love these but if I turned up home in one (or the scooby) the wife would divorce me and call me a chav forever more.
The image has taken a massive knock in the last 10 years.
I have to disagree. They have always been a bit marmite-ish.The image has taken a massive knock in the last 10 years.
Supercars have now moved on and so has the everyday hot hatch etc. The original Scooby's and to a lesser extent Evo's have been bought by the backward hat wearing brigade for peanuts and fitted with the loudest bean can exhaust you can find and tend to drive like absolute berks.
It may be shallow but I don't think I could live with being painted with that brush. Same reason as per the other thread running at the mo, way people tend to go for the Golf over the Leon regardless of whether the Leon is the faster or better handling car. I could take my bosses out in a S3 and nothing would be said. A Scooby or Evo and you can guarantee what the majority will think of your character.
Face it, they've always been uncool and undesirable by most. They were always driven by absolute berks and always had large, loud exhausts.
jhfozzy said:
A barrel (25l) of up-to-spec engine oil that will do me for five oil changes costs me around £100 (you can pay A LOT more for your oil if you so desire).
5L (two services) of the dreaded AYC oil is around £25.00
Gearbox oil is standard GL-4 so cheap as chips.
And LS diff oil for the diffs.
Spark plugs are about £2 each (I change them every service).
Filters are about £20.
Can of spray grease for the hinges, copper grease for brakes etc.
So say around £80 all in, nowhere near extortionate for the type of car.
Other stuff & Breakages - I bought the diagnostic software (£100) I've changed the clutch (£200), rebuilt my AYC pump (£90, yep you can get a rebuild kit and not have to pay £1500!), broke my rear diff on a humpback bridge (£400), three sets of pads and discs (approx £300), ABS sensor (£200). Cambelt service (Wasn't brave enough to DIY £200)
I think that's it all, not bad for a 15 year old performance car.
Thats very reasonable!5L (two services) of the dreaded AYC oil is around £25.00
Gearbox oil is standard GL-4 so cheap as chips.
And LS diff oil for the diffs.
Spark plugs are about £2 each (I change them every service).
Filters are about £20.
Can of spray grease for the hinges, copper grease for brakes etc.
So say around £80 all in, nowhere near extortionate for the type of car.
Other stuff & Breakages - I bought the diagnostic software (£100) I've changed the clutch (£200), rebuilt my AYC pump (£90, yep you can get a rebuild kit and not have to pay £1500!), broke my rear diff on a humpback bridge (£400), three sets of pads and discs (approx £300), ABS sensor (£200). Cambelt service (Wasn't brave enough to DIY £200)
I think that's it all, not bad for a 15 year old performance car.
Do I hear the classifieds calling
.jhfozzy said:
StottyEvo said:
nightwalker said:
such an awesome machine if you can stomach the absurd running costs!
Out of interest what expenditures did the cars throw up?However, if you've an ounce of savvy, you can service these for peanuts. Remember that these cars were designed to be serviced and repaired on your back on a bit of tarpaulin in the cold wet Welsh mountain stages and the full workshop manuals are available online.
I've had my VI for seven years now (Bought it for £10,000 in 2007), it's used in all weathers to its (ok, my) limit on club runs, trips down the farm and especially used in winter to take the kids to a remote secret sledding slope off road in the snow.
A barrel (25l) of up-to-spec engine oil that will do me for five oil changes costs me around £100 (you can pay A LOT more for your oil if you so desire).
5L (two services) of the dreaded AYC oil is around £25.00
Gearbox oil is standard GL-4 so cheap as chips.
And LS diff oil for the diffs.
Spark plugs are about £2 each (I change them every service).
Filters are about £20.
Can of spray grease for the hinges, copper grease for brakes etc.
So say around £80 all in, nowhere near extortionate for the type of car.
Other stuff & Breakages - I bought the diagnostic software (£100) I've changed the clutch (£200), rebuilt my AYC pump (£90, yep you can get a rebuild kit and not have to pay £1500!), broke my rear diff on a humpback bridge (£400), three sets of pads and discs (approx £300), ABS sensor (£200). Cambelt service (Wasn't brave enough to DIY £200)
I think that's it all, not bad for a 15 year old performance car.
As an example a clutch is £208 from Camskill and Richard Henry charge £275 to fit it.
Pads all round cost £46 from Camskill (Brembo's) and take about 20mins to fit by myself.
Even if you pay a specialist they're cheap as hell to run (for the performance)
StottyEvo said:
I asked as so far my experience is the same!
As an example a clutch is £208 from Camskill and Richard Henry charge £275 to fit it.
Pads all round cost £46 from Camskill (Brembo's) and take about 20mins to fit by myself.
Even if you pay a specialist they're cheap as hell to run (for the performance)
Completely agree, I haven't seen a braking system yet where the pads are easier to replace. Wheel off, push two pins out, spring clip flies off somewhere and pull the pads out!As an example a clutch is £208 from Camskill and Richard Henry charge £275 to fit it.
Pads all round cost £46 from Camskill (Brembo's) and take about 20mins to fit by myself.
Even if you pay a specialist they're cheap as hell to run (for the performance)
Are standard cars actually going to appeal to the "Playstation generation" given a large part of the game was about tuning?
I count myself as one of this generation, and the first thing I did when I got the cars I idolized in the games I did exactly what I did in those games, start modifying them.
A standard Tommi 6 would get cained in most events needing a iB license or higher anyway.
I think the people picking up these standard cars are buying them as an investment above all else. Those who want to relive their games will probably be looking at ones with a Stage 4 Turbo kit.
I count myself as one of this generation, and the first thing I did when I got the cars I idolized in the games I did exactly what I did in those games, start modifying them.
A standard Tommi 6 would get cained in most events needing a iB license or higher anyway.
I think the people picking up these standard cars are buying them as an investment above all else. Those who want to relive their games will probably be looking at ones with a Stage 4 Turbo kit.
RKi said:
People always say that Evo's are driven by chavs with baseball caps turned back to front. I've been driving Evo's on and off for 4 years now and am yet to meet one of these non existent chavs at a meet / trackday etc.
Chavs are generally poor and stupid so can't afford the running costs for one. Give me something which is a bit different from the norm/exciting over a boring, characterless, understeeing, fisher price 4WD VAG wreck any day of the week.
That's because the word gets applied to Everyman and his dog nowadays Chavs are generally poor and stupid so can't afford the running costs for one. Give me something which is a bit different from the norm/exciting over a boring, characterless, understeeing, fisher price 4WD VAG wreck any day of the week.
JoshyS said:
Are standard cars actually going to appeal to the "Playstation generation" given a large part of the game was about tuning?
I count myself as one of this generation, and the first thing I did when I got the cars I idolized in the games I did exactly what I did in those games, start modifying them.
A standard Tommi 6 would get cained in most events needing a iB license or higher anyway.
I think the people picking up these standard cars are buying them as an investment above all else. Those who want to relive their games will probably be looking at ones with a Stage 4 Turbo kit.
I'm a massive GT fan, they were my childhood.I count myself as one of this generation, and the first thing I did when I got the cars I idolized in the games I did exactly what I did in those games, start modifying them.
A standard Tommi 6 would get cained in most events needing a iB license or higher anyway.
I think the people picking up these standard cars are buying them as an investment above all else. Those who want to relive their games will probably be looking at ones with a Stage 4 Turbo kit.
I'd much rather a standard car than a modified example. Used to only modify a few to win races when needed then return them back to stock unless they were racing cars.
Still prefer the look of the Evo v. Much more aggressive imo
Had a gsr v for a few years and it made a great daily driver. Suspension is plenty compliant enough once you get a bit of speed (on a road near my house the Evo could drive as speeds that has my 911 skipping and bucking).
The 4500 mile service interval was a bit steep but fairly solid car.
Sold it for 15k in 2004. Wish I still had it.
Had a gsr v for a few years and it made a great daily driver. Suspension is plenty compliant enough once you get a bit of speed (on a road near my house the Evo could drive as speeds that has my 911 skipping and bucking).
The 4500 mile service interval was a bit steep but fairly solid car.
Sold it for 15k in 2004. Wish I still had it.
I had an impreza but its a similar prospect in terms of maintenance - parts are cheap enough provided you're not wrecking gearboxes, they're light on consumables and generally not difficult to work on so labour costs stay low.
It gets expensive if you start chasing big power of course but if you stay relatively standard then the biggest cost by far is always going to be fuel and thats directly related to how much you drive it
It gets expensive if you start chasing big power of course but if you stay relatively standard then the biggest cost by far is always going to be fuel and thats directly related to how much you drive it
405dogvan said:
I know a girl who's hubby ran one of these as their 'family car' for a few years - I used to see her off to the shops strapped into a full rally harness, teeth being shaken-out on the s
tty tarmac and speedbumps - often with 2 kids in the back in their own rally-stylee seats ;0
She wasn't hugely pleased about it - she called it the 'rattlewagon' - but it survived 2 years on their 'concreted front garden' without incident whilst 3 doors down, someone else I know had 3 of their cars stolen (all VXR/GSi Vauxhalls of some description - all pimped - all never seen again) over the same period DESPITE metal posts and security lights and other gubbins - go figure...
Fantastic weapon but you need to be able to pull-it-off - I think the 'chav' thing has moved-on tho, it's now more a slightly faded-grandeur cum kagoule-nerd image really?
LOL tty tarmac and speedbumps - often with 2 kids in the back in their own rally-stylee seats ;0She wasn't hugely pleased about it - she called it the 'rattlewagon' - but it survived 2 years on their 'concreted front garden' without incident whilst 3 doors down, someone else I know had 3 of their cars stolen (all VXR/GSi Vauxhalls of some description - all pimped - all never seen again) over the same period DESPITE metal posts and security lights and other gubbins - go figure...
Fantastic weapon but you need to be able to pull-it-off - I think the 'chav' thing has moved-on tho, it's now more a slightly faded-grandeur cum kagoule-nerd image really?
very funny post. Not all rally cars are considered chav - Lancia EVO and its predecessors, the Audi Quattro etc. Funny, it has to be the badge, the wing and other addenda that reduce this car's image.
Edited by chelme on Tuesday 2nd September 20:44
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