RE: Scrappage carnage detailed
Discussion
thelawnet said:
FRA53R said:
No wonder I can't find any Primera gt's now, over 50 gone. That must have been most of what was left in 2009.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/nissan_primera_gtMore were scrapped/sorned in 2008 (89 out of 237) than in 2009 (52 out of 148)
2008: 38% scrapped
2009: 35% scrapped
2010: 35% scrapped
2011: 40% scrapped
2012: 30% scrapped
2013: 4% scrapped
So basically now with 25 surviving, that's the number of people in the UK who gave a s
t enough to preserve them. GSE said:
Oh that is sad. I thought the idea was that the cars were actually going to be scrapped and recycled, not left out on a runway for years! Obviously the scheme was created to jump start the faltering UK car industry, by importing ship loads of Korean manufactured tat... May be these scrappage scheme cars should be donated to a third world country in lieu of our overseas aid payments - they'll soon be driving about in better cars than we are!
I guess it depends on what you call tat doesn't it.While cars like the Hyundi i10 may not have the badge and performance credentials to excite the average PHer, they are far from bad cars.
Devil2575 said:
I guess it depends on what you call tat doesn't it.
While cars like the Hyundi i10 may not have the badge and performance credentials to excite the average PHer, they are far from bad cars.
Lets be honest, nobody these days makes a 'bad' car. They're all pretty good, even if some are very much 'white goods'.While cars like the Hyundi i10 may not have the badge and performance credentials to excite the average PHer, they are far from bad cars.
Dr Interceptor said:
Devil2575 said:
I guess it depends on what you call tat doesn't it.
While cars like the Hyundi i10 may not have the badge and performance credentials to excite the average PHer, they are far from bad cars.
Lets be honest, nobody these days makes a 'bad' car. They're all pretty good, even if some are very much 'white goods'.While cars like the Hyundi i10 may not have the badge and performance credentials to excite the average PHer, they are far from bad cars.
DiscoColin said:
For me though the flaw in the system is that they should have had a mechanism by which the cars could be bought off of the scheme for restoration for £4k. That way there would have been a business for someone saving the worthy cars, all costs would have been more than covered, the new cars would still have been bought and there would have been more money made by the government out of the scheme. All ancient history now, but for the cars currently rotting on runways they surely should be able to get more proactive in turning them into a source of profitable spares...?
Agreed (although maybe not the 4k bit!) - this would have been a great opportunity to create some jobs/business opportunities for entrepreneurial mechanical types. I'm finding it hard to get too excited about this. Some classic cars just aren't worth messing with. I'd suggest to the people getting dewy-eyed that they buy one and try to live with it for a while. I've had a Triumph Spitfire that became a pain, even with monthly welding sessions and weekly maintenance it just wasn't worth the candle. Some cars just have to go, you can't keep every E30 325 or M3, so use the grotty ones for spares. Now I concede that a few of these cars were salvageable but I suspect that most weren't. I had a grubby Vectra until last year, when I sold it it needed a clutch, the engine burned oil, the PAS leaked, it had minor accident damage and the gearbox was iffy after 106k miles. Good riddance. Now let's assume that it was a Lancia Delta HF with all of the above plus extensive corrosion. Who's giving me £2k? Don't all ring at once. So come on. Save the few that are worth saving, the ones that have been trashed, let them go.
Edit - can the person who thinks that a Hyundai can be got for 3% of its original value at 5 yrs old please tell me where? I'll have one for the boring motorway stuff and spend the savings on something interesting. A more realistic figure is that they probably halve every 3 years so at 5 yrs old you might pick one up for 25% of original list. That's an £8k entry level job, strictly white goods but competent, for £2k. That means the scrappage scheme buyer paid upfront £6k plus a junker, now getting £2k back, that's £4k in 5 years. £800 a year, for a car that has a warranty, is new, cheap to run and no repairs worth talking about.
Edit - can the person who thinks that a Hyundai can be got for 3% of its original value at 5 yrs old please tell me where? I'll have one for the boring motorway stuff and spend the savings on something interesting. A more realistic figure is that they probably halve every 3 years so at 5 yrs old you might pick one up for 25% of original list. That's an £8k entry level job, strictly white goods but competent, for £2k. That means the scrappage scheme buyer paid upfront £6k plus a junker, now getting £2k back, that's £4k in 5 years. £800 a year, for a car that has a warranty, is new, cheap to run and no repairs worth talking about.
Edited by battered on Sunday 5th October 11:25
I did well from this.
I had a £400 1997 Mondeo LX off ebay which I ran for a year and then they offered this £2000 scrappage scheme.
The local Ford dealer was flogging off brand new Mondeo 2.0 Edges for £12000, with scrappage, £10000.
In addition, the dealer offered £1000 more than anyone else on our Mazda 5 in px.
They pretty much gave us a new Mondeo for peanuts.
I had a £400 1997 Mondeo LX off ebay which I ran for a year and then they offered this £2000 scrappage scheme.
The local Ford dealer was flogging off brand new Mondeo 2.0 Edges for £12000, with scrappage, £10000.
In addition, the dealer offered £1000 more than anyone else on our Mazda 5 in px.
They pretty much gave us a new Mondeo for peanuts.
FRA53R said:
Hah, suppose that proves how strange my taste in cars is. I loved mine and if I'd had the cash earlier this year I would have had another.
That figure of 25 (10 of which are on the road) makes me incredibly sad. I had two P11 GTs over the years and a P10 eZX. I didn't realise they were in such short supply now. 
Goodnight, sweet princes...
Calamity James said:
That figure of 25 (10 of which are on the road) makes me incredibly sad. I had two P11 GTs over the years and a P10 eZX. I didn't realise they were in such short supply now.
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Don't believe those numbers complete nonsense still loads of Primera GT out there they quite often come up for sale ( former P12 Gt owner here).Goodnight, sweetmD.png[/5.jpg[/img]
rallycross said:
Don't believe those numbers complete nonsense still loads of Primera GT out there they quite often come up for sale ( former P12 Gt owner here).
Howmanyleft is often complete rubbish. It's possibly OK for a "trend" or a rough guide, but don't go looking at actual numbers especially if those numbers are below something like 500 remaining. Pinch of salt, and all that.Blakewater said:
It puzzles me that these cars have come in randomly from dealers all round the country to just be scrapped without even being stripped for parts and yet people have taken the time to sort them into makes and models.
I think it was the Government records compiled via dealers information that provided the data.Fun Bus said:
Blakewater said:
It puzzles me that these cars have come in randomly from dealers all round the country to just be scrapped without even being stripped for parts and yet people have taken the time to sort them into makes and models.
I think it was the Government records compiled via dealers information that provided the data.Blakewater said:
Sorry, I mean the actual cars on the runways where they're being stored. In many of the images all the cars have been lined up together by make and model. If they're all going to just be chucked straight into a crusher or shredder and shipped of to China for recycling why bother doing that?
Ahhh, I see. Makes sense now.Still can't answer your question though
Fun Bus said:
Blakewater said:
Sorry, I mean the actual cars on the runways where they're being stored. In many of the images all the cars have been lined up together by make and model. If they're all going to just be chucked straight into a crusher or shredder and shipped of to China for recycling why bother doing that?
Ahhh, I see. Makes sense now.Still can't answer your question though
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