Why is lorry overtaking not banned?
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Sorry for the thread revival.
If lorries were banned from overtaking other lorries travelling at 50 mph, it would stop the problem of elephant racing. Of course, if there is something travelling at 40 mph, the lorries should be able to overtake (with a decent speed differential!). Better yet, we could ban things travelling slower than 50 mph on the motorway (unless necessary). A motorway minimum speed limit would probably make no end of difference to traffic flow, coupled with lorry elephant racing elimination.
Anecdote time! I let a lorry out to pass a convey exceptionale doing about 40 on the A303. I'm not going to mess with a signalling lorry. Oh, and he'd been overtaking, had pulled in to let some traffic pass, and was now signalling out again. While I was stuck behind him the first time, I had some mouth breather come right up on my arse. Enjoy a few minutes more of 50 mph, sucker!
Another time, on the M25, I saw a lorry overtaking another lorry, overtaking yet another lorry. There was one clear lane.
Not to mention the elephant racing on the A303 that resulted in a lorry being cut up on the approach to a roundabout, resulting in the cut up lorry having to pull out close behind me. Choice time... potential red light jump or 44t of metal and goods embedded in my rear. Fortunately, I made amber.
If lorries were banned from overtaking other lorries travelling at 50 mph, it would stop the problem of elephant racing. Of course, if there is something travelling at 40 mph, the lorries should be able to overtake (with a decent speed differential!). Better yet, we could ban things travelling slower than 50 mph on the motorway (unless necessary). A motorway minimum speed limit would probably make no end of difference to traffic flow, coupled with lorry elephant racing elimination.
Anecdote time! I let a lorry out to pass a convey exceptionale doing about 40 on the A303. I'm not going to mess with a signalling lorry. Oh, and he'd been overtaking, had pulled in to let some traffic pass, and was now signalling out again. While I was stuck behind him the first time, I had some mouth breather come right up on my arse. Enjoy a few minutes more of 50 mph, sucker!
Another time, on the M25, I saw a lorry overtaking another lorry, overtaking yet another lorry. There was one clear lane.
Not to mention the elephant racing on the A303 that resulted in a lorry being cut up on the approach to a roundabout, resulting in the cut up lorry having to pull out close behind me. Choice time... potential red light jump or 44t of metal and goods embedded in my rear. Fortunately, I made amber.
The real route of the problem is decades of under investment in the road network means there isn't enough room for everybody. I live in Suffolk and use the A14 - main route to and from the biggest port in the country - so I feel fairly qualified to speak on such a matter, as just travelling 10 miles of it of a morning I'll probably see 50-75 lorries. The biggest problem is the A14 for example is only two lanes and the inside lane is always full of lorries doing 56mph, so you have a choice of either do 56mph and not see where you're going, or do 85mph in the outside lane with Audi man still so close you think you're f
king towing it.
I bloody hate it when lorries pull out to overtake each other, it's so obviously unnecessary because they're limited to the SAME SODDING SPEED!! You sit there for at least a mile as one slowly creeps past the other, leaving a queue of 745 cars behind it all bunched together like F1 drivers waiting for the safety car to fk off.
I've seen a trend of people banding together to force lorries to remain on the inside as people will drive on the outside fairly close to each other to box all of the lorries in, give them nowhere to go and I admit I speed up to join in this fun.
king towing it.I bloody hate it when lorries pull out to overtake each other, it's so obviously unnecessary because they're limited to the SAME SODDING SPEED!! You sit there for at least a mile as one slowly creeps past the other, leaving a queue of 745 cars behind it all bunched together like F1 drivers waiting for the safety car to f
k off. I've seen a trend of people banding together to force lorries to remain on the inside as people will drive on the outside fairly close to each other to box all of the lorries in, give them nowhere to go and I admit I speed up to join in this fun.
Simple our truck pulls 56mph everywhere but other are limited to 50mph or less & some of those limited to 56mph will lose speed on hills at which point we'll pass them (as you'd expect with 730bhp & 2581ft/lb) so why should we be stuck behind them we have a schedule to stick to as well what makes anyone's journey more important than someone else's?
I believe HGV's should be allowed to do 65mph (on the newer trucks fitted with anti collision tech) as they'd be more in line with the flow of traffic which would mean less hold ups.
I believe HGV's should be allowed to do 65mph (on the newer trucks fitted with anti collision tech) as they'd be more in line with the flow of traffic which would mean less hold ups.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Thursday 17th August 23:00
ZX10R NIN said:
Simple our truck pulls 56mph everywhere but other are limited to & some of those limited to 56mph will lose speed on hills at which point we'll pass them (as you'd expect with 730bhp & 2581ft/lb) so why should we be stuck behind them we have a schedule to stick to as well what makes anyone's journey more important than someone else's?
The car you're pulling out in front of could probably do 120mph. What makes your journey more important than theirs?ZX10R NIN said:
Simple our truck pulls 56mph everywhere but other are limited to & some of those limited to 56mph will lose speed on hills at which point we'll pass them (as you'd expect with 730bhp & 2581ft/lb) so why should we be stuck behind them we have a schedule to stick to as well what makes anyone's journey more important than someone else's?
I believe HGV's should be allowed to do 65mph (on the newer trucks fitted with anti collision tech) as they'd be more in line with the flow of traffic which would mean less hold ups.
Well, if lorries could do 65, it would certainly be much less of an issue! I don't hold that car journeys are more important than lorry journeys, it's just that this sort of maneuverer by one lorry can hold up a LOT of cars.I believe HGV's should be allowed to do 65mph (on the newer trucks fitted with anti collision tech) as they'd be more in line with the flow of traffic which would mean less hold ups.
Also, if you're fully laden, 730 bhp becomes 16 bhp/t. I, in my little city car, have 60 bhp/t (also 60 bhp).
Worst of all are the ones being overtaken who stubbornly refuse to drop back. Had this today on a NSL D/C - truck goes to overtake at 55.9999 mph, truck doing 54.9998mph refuses to help, resulting in a big queue forming in the outer lane as everyone bunches up, until the overtaker abandoned his attempt and dropped back into lane 1. Surely with the technology lorry speed limits can be raised?
Solocle said:
Well, if lorries could do 65, it would certainly be much less of an issue! I don't hold that car journeys are more important than lorry journeys, it's just that this sort of maneuverer by one lorry can hold up a LOT of cars.
Also, if you're fully laden, 730 bhp becomes 16 bhp/t. I, in my little city car, have 60 bhp/t (also 60 bhp).
It's not the BHP that makes the difference it's the torque all 2581 of it makes a big difference especially when fully laden & allowing them to do 65mph would make the traffic flow better & faster as those car drivers that dawdle at around 60mph will pick up their pace as well due to not wanting to be passed by a truck.Also, if you're fully laden, 730 bhp becomes 16 bhp/t. I, in my little city car, have 60 bhp/t (also 60 bhp).
Also you'd need more than 60bhp if the city car was fully laden.
I travel up and down the M11 and A14 daily between Stortford and Cambridge for work. There are now overtaking restrictions on the M11 for lorries between certain hours between certain points, which are largely ignored by the thick fks who drive these things. For the first time today I saw plod (black unmarked 330d estate) pull one over, and I hope to god he got done.
ks who drive these things. For the first time today I saw plod (black unmarked 330d estate) pull one over, and I hope to god he got done. Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 18th August 06:19
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